Re: New Canon 6D Announced
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Originally Posted by
TheAnimus
Is this really aimed at studios thou?
Well not exclusively, but who else would need to control off-camera flash groups?
I can't think of any other uses for a pop up flash that someone with a proper flashgun would want. Save as you say an emergency back up, but if you're spending this kind of money on a camera aren't you going to have a real back up rather than falling back to onboard flash?
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I guess I'm confused in a way as to where their target is. I quite like the idea of the WiFi interface, but only if they open up the API, if they don't, they are missing a trick, you could have some really gnarly addons, features and even mechanical extra bits if they allowed that. That would be a real interest to the hacker community.
However, I think we are seeing something a bit gimmiky. They've missed out things that many photographers would like (such as sync speed), if you want to do something wireless, well better head off to ebay, nothing out of the box. If your the kind of buyer who has £1.8k to spare, plus enough for a flash gun as a starter set, you've probably got the dosh for the 5DmkIII.
This is why I don't get what it is for? I see its main USP is the WiFi thing, which tbh could open it up for a world of applications where cables are tricky. I could see people using this for ariel photography for that reason alone.
But these are really neiche.
So my question really is, who are they aiming for?
Who knows. Probably people who are making their early steps to a FF studio etc. setup or someone who already owns a flashgun - they've got the rest of the equipment.
I would be really surprised if people moved up to FF without having owned a flashgun - if you're in a situation where you could conceivably need a pop-up flash then a flashgun adds immeasurably to the quality of output, and they're way cheaper than lenses!
Re: New Canon 6D Announced
we* believe its aimed as a backup camera / studio camera
*many professional photographers
Re: New Canon 6D Announced
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Originally Posted by
kalniel
Well not exclusively, but who else would need to control off-camera flash groups?
My point is I just don't get why thats been 'cut' yet say WiFi included. You see I can't fathom which group of users would rather have it.
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Originally Posted by
kalniel
I can't think of any other uses for a pop up flash that someone with a proper flashgun would want. Save as you say an emergency back up, but if you're spending this kind of money on a camera aren't you going to have a real back up rather than falling back to onboard flash?
Handy backup? I know many people who buy full frame, as a badge of prowese, have money for 2 good lenses, and thats it. Hell how many people on this forum, who don't do ports, have a flashgun? I think you'd be suprised. Even people on £2k set ups.
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Originally Posted by
kalniel
Who knows. Probably people who are making their early steps to a FF studio etc. setup or someone who already owns a flashgun - they've got the rest of the equipment.
Maybe, I just don't get the idea of doing a FF studio where budget would matter so, why choose this over the slightly more expensive nikon, or the 5d?? Things like the GPS integration scream to me this is for people who get out and about. I suppose its that simple
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Originally Posted by
kalniel
I would be really surprised if people moved up to FF without having owned a flashgun - if you're in a situation where you could conceivably need a pop-up flash then a flashgun adds immeasurably to the quality of output, and they're way cheaper than lenses!
I was chatting with someone at SRS about this actually, he said the vast majority of FF sales are not people moving up, they are either already FF or buying in with 'ghusto'!
This is my point thou. Who is this really for? Is the quality going to be *that* much better than a camera a fith of its price? Probably not for most people, and those who it is, why not go for the 5d.
I think its a confusing product.
However, if canon get their act together, make the WiFi interface really flexible (maybe RESTful JSON for everything.....) I could see this having an amazing game change. But a pop flash would have only been a good thing for that.
Re: New Canon 6D Announced
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Originally Posted by
Bobster
we* believe its aimed as a backup camera / studio camera
*many professional photographers
Ah hu.
Lets be realistic, how big is the market for 'backup cameras'? It's bloody tiny.
Just look at most digital camera sales, they go to hobbiest/enthusiasts. The number of photographers who make more than scrape a living is tiny, compared to the number of hobbiests who have the cash to splash. I mean just look at the photo a day thread, one of the series of best photographs ever came from dirt cheap kit. Yet we've seen hobbiest members pay for full frame, people like me waste, hmm, thousands, on it. Because when its escapisim and hobbies people don't care about money so much.
This is why B2B sales are tiny in the photographic sector. I know for when I thought I could buy a bunch of dslrs for a company (3d modelling project, long story!) the shocking lack of B2B sales.
So these royal we, the same kind that discount the nikons sync speed, yet lump praise on this, thats not that many.
Effectively its:
Can't afford/justify a 5d
But can afford £1.8k for a body.
Yeah. Maybe I'm desensatised to capital expenditures, but seriously, the save £600 group is that strong?
People who are buying new will surely see the D800, which is probably going to cut its price to match this if it has too. I don't see anyone (on paper at least) taking this over that.
But then again, I am not a "professional".
Re: New Canon 6D Announced
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Originally Posted by
TheAnimus
I suppose its that simple I was chatting with someone at SRS about this actually, he said the vast majority of FF sales are not people moving up, they are either already FF or buying in with 'ghusto'!
They could be onto something actually - overly keen enthusiasts who are rich enough to spend on a FF without really needing it, are impressed by the gadgets, will almost certainly be happy to shell out for a speedlite at the same time as part of a 'deal' and the saving over the 5d is what makes it acceptable for the wife/husband ("look how much I'm saving....")
Re: New Canon 6D Announced
Its about time Canon released a cheaper full frame. The mkIII is too expensive for amateurs. Time to sell my 600d
Re: New Canon 6D Announced
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Originally Posted by
kalniel
Well not exclusively, but who else would need to control off-camera flash groups?
I can't think of any other uses for a pop up flash that someone with a proper flashgun would want. Save as you say an emergency back up, but if you're spending this kind of money on a camera aren't you going to have a real back up rather than falling back to onboard flash?
Who knows. Probably people who are making their early steps to a FF studio etc. setup or someone who already owns a flashgun - they've got the rest of the equipment.
I would be really surprised if people moved up to FF without having owned a flashgun - if you're in a situation where you could conceivably need a pop-up flash then a flashgun adds immeasurably to the quality of output, and they're way cheaper than lenses!
I've been looking at the 6D since its announcement as a replacement/addition to my current 60D, so I really did want this to be promising. Just last week, I was at Loch Ness with a group of friends - they wanted a shot of them with the setting sun in the background which would have needed a fill-in flash. Now, wanting to travel fairly light, all I'd brought with me that day was the 60D and a 17-55 - I'd left two 430EXIIs back at the cottage because I'd only intended on doing a few simple outdoors shots. Although I avoid the pop-up as much as possible too, there are times (and this was one of them) where that's all that was needed, and it turned what would have otherwise been a 'meh' shot, into an arguably nice one (or at least avoided a lot of processing in post ;))
I do also use the wireless flash trigger on the 60D occasionally - it's nice to have TTL capability without tripping over cords or buying the more expensive radio triggers sometimes (it's something I'm sure I will upgrade to, but it's nice not to *have* to right now).
Being honest, I was expecting the 6D to fill the same kind of 'enthusiast' segment of the market as the 60D. Perhaps it does, and perhaps I'm being too overly picky, but the 'upgrade' path is less clear to me than I'd like. Sacrificing flash sync speed, and fewer cross-type AF (although the -3eV is rather impressive, having tried it out) are both features that I'm not sure that Canon needed to drop in order to prevent eroding market share of the 5d3 (which is quite possibly what I'll end up buying now instead). :(
Re: New Canon 6D Announced
I have a Canon 7D and having that built in flash is incredibly nice when you need it on the fly.
