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    Advice on my semi budget upgrade

    Hi - just looking for some advice on this build - im upgrading from:

    Gigabyte P35 DQ6, Q6600, 8800GT, Antec 550w truepower in a random PC world case

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    Case: Corsair Carbide Series 300R - £62
    CPU: i5 3570K 3.4Ghz - £155
    Board: ASUS P8Z77-V LX - £95
    Memory: corsair XMS3 8GB: 2x4GB DDR3 1333Mhz - £38
    GFX: GTX 560 Ti 448 (bought)
    Powersuply - keeping
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    total: £350

    Usage - Gaming @ 1900x1200 (CS:GO mainly), light photoshop, video editing and O/S Virtualisation

    I do want to overclock a little in future once it starts getting dated, was thinking of the i5 2500K but the price saving was small.

    So anything you would change? Suitable for my needs?

    What do you guys think of a 1x8gb ddr3 Stick? are they more stable

    I might try saving a few quid here and there with buying second hand too..

    appreciate any advice!

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    Re: Advice on my semi budget upgrade

    Forget to mention cooler - a toss between hyper 212 £30 or Bequiet Darkrock 2 - £50

    ..this is not as budget as I thought!

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    Re: Advice on my semi budget upgrade

    Looks good to me. You didn't mention storage or OS though.
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    Re: Advice on my semi budget upgrade

    Greaat storage I was thinking of keeping the Samsung HD502HJ (relatively fast for a 3.5")

    Or Samsung 256GB 830 SSD Basic £130

    What do you think of 1x8gb Ram sticks over 2x4gb sticks?

    Is the motherboard suitable to utilitize all the features of the ivy bridge?

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    Re: Advice on my semi budget upgrade

    Quote Originally Posted by narz View Post
    O/S Virtualisation
    The K series lack IOMMU although you need a compatible motherboard too.

    Quote Originally Posted by narz View Post
    What do you guys think of a 1x8gb ddr3 Stick? are they more stable
    Not a good idea as performance will drop.

    Moreover,if you are not sure about overclocking,get a Xeon E3 1230 V2 and a cheaper motherboad. The Xeon E3 1230 V2 is basically a downclocked Core i7 3770,but it cannot be overclocked much AFAIK. The HT will be useful for virtualisation I suspect and video editing.

    However,the Xeon E3 1230 V2 lacks an IGP,so you cannot use Quick Sync,but has a lower 69W TDP,as opposed to the 77W of the Core i7 3770 and is much cheaper.


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    Re: Advice on my semi budget upgrade

    Corsair Memory Vengeance LP Arctic White 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600 MHz CAS 9 XMP Dual Channel Desktop @ Scan for £28 atm. will save you £10 and it's 1600MHz aswell.

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    Re: Advice on my semi budget upgrade

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    The K series lack IOMMU although you need a compatible motherboard too.
    Its harder to find a decent desktop board that supports VT-d. For example will a P8Z77-V LX support it with a xeon 1230?

    Would VT-x alone not suffice? considering virtualisation is used irregularly

    Moreover,if you are not sure about overclocking,get a Xeon E3 1230 V2 and a cheaper motherboad. The Xeon E3 1230 V2 is basically a downclocked Core i7 3770,but it cannot be overclocked much AFAIK. The HT will be useful for virtualisation I suspect and video editing.

    However,the Xeon E3 1230 V2 lacks an IGP,so you cannot use Quick Sync,but has a lower 69W TDP,as opposed to the 77W of the Core i7 3770 and is much cheaper.
    Since the price difference between the Xeon E3 1230 V2 and i5 3570K seems to be about £20~ I would pay this for HT and the 69W TDP. (if I could just bang it in the existing setup). No Quicksync doesn't bother me much.

    I don't fancy a server board with less features tho..

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    Re: Advice on my semi budget upgrade

    Quote Originally Posted by SixFeet View Post
    Corsair Memory Vengeance LP Arctic White 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600 MHz CAS 9 XMP Dual Channel Desktop @ Scan for £28 atm. will save you £10 and it's 1600MHz aswell.
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    Re: Advice on my semi budget upgrade

    Quote Originally Posted by narz View Post
    Its harder to find a decent desktop board that supports VT-d. For example will a P8Z77-V LX support it with a xeon 1230?

    Would VT-x alone not suffice? considering virtualisation is used irregularly



    Since the price difference between the Xeon E3 1230 V2 and i5 3570K seems to be about £20~ I would pay this for HT and the 69W TDP. (if I could just bang it in the existing setup). No Quicksync doesn't bother me much.

    I don't fancy a server board with less features tho..
    You would need to consider if it is important or not. It is harder to find VT-d support on consumer boards it seems and the Asus ones are supposedly flaky in this regard:

    http://forums.mydigitallife.info/thr...virtualization

    There is a list of Intel motherboards which support it and supposedly the AsRock motherboards are fine.

    Some of the Gigabyte motherboards are supported too as are the MSI ones:

    http://communities.vmware.com/message/2046358

    http://forums.tweaktown.com/gigabyte...port-vt-d.html

    http://ultimatewhitebox.com/forum/showThread/1064/last

    So it seems the following motherboards are confirmed to support VT-d via actual testing:

    http://www.scan.co.uk/products/msi-z...oogle+shopping

    http://www.scan.co.uk/products/gigab...oogle+shopping

    http://www.scan.co.uk/products/asroc...b-dvi-d-hdmi-a

    http://www.scan.co.uk/products/gigab...t-dvi-hdmi-atx

    http://www.scan.co.uk/products/gigab...dvi-d-hdmi-atx

    There might be more motherboards,but this is what I could find!
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    Re: Advice on my semi budget upgrade

    Memory: corsair XMS3 8GB: 2x4GB DDR3 1333Mhz - £38

    Not sure why you getting 1333 RAM. You can get vengence 1600 8GB at low price these days. Just check scan.

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    Re: Advice on my semi budget upgrade

    Good finds Cat the fith! - That ASROCK Z77 Extreme 4 is looking appealing @ £112, as its roughly in my price range

    These boards from ASRock look much better from the last time I looked at them few years ago, they must be upping their game.

    Are these as reliable as ASUS/INTEL/MSI/gigabyte?


    Adding the recommended changes will bring me to a reasonable £406.

    Case: Corsair Carbide Series 300R - £62
    CPU: Xeon E3 1230v2 - £178
    Cooler: Hyper 212 Evo - £26
    Board: ASRock Z77 Extreme 4 - £112
    Memory: Corsair Memory Vengeance LP Arctic White 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600 MHz - £28
    GFX: GTX 560 Ti 448 (bought)
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    Sounds like a great build, maybe another 8Gb of Ram .. because its cheapish. £434

    Just to confirm (the only lingering bit in my mind now),

    Disadvantages of the xeon is the lack of IGP and overclocking.

    But get lower TDP and HT

    otherwise on par with the 3570K (stock)?

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    Re: Advice on my semi budget upgrade

    Quote Originally Posted by leonc View Post
    Memory: corsair XMS3 8GB: 2x4GB DDR3 1333Mhz - £38

    Not sure why you getting 1333 RAM. You can get vengence 1600 8GB at low price these days. Just check scan.
    Wasn't aware - I updated now to one recommended above

    Corsair Memory Vengeance LP Arctic White 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600 MHz CAS 9 XMP Dual Channel Desktop @ Scan for £28 atm

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    Re: Advice on my semi budget upgrade

    Quote Originally Posted by narz View Post
    Good finds Cat the fith! - That ASROCK Z77 Extreme 4 is looking appealing @ £112, as its roughly in my price range

    These boards from ASRock look much better from the last time I looked at them few years ago, they must be upping their game.

    Are these as reliable as ASUS/INTEL/MSI/gigabyte?


    Adding the recommended changes will bring me to a reasonable £406.

    Case: Corsair Carbide Series 300R - £62
    CPU: Xeon E3 1230v2 - £178
    Cooler: Hyper 212 Evo - £26
    Board: ASRock Z77 Extreme 4 - £112
    Memory: Corsair Memory Vengeance LP Arctic White 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600 MHz - £28
    GFX: GTX 560 Ti 448 (bought)
    Powersuply - keeping
    DVD-RW: keeping
    HDD: F3 HD502HJ Keeping [Optional - Samsung 256GB 830 SSD Basic £130 ]

    Sounds like a great build, maybe another 8Gb of Ram .. because its cheapish. £434

    Just to confirm (the only lingering bit in my mind now),

    Disadvantages of the xeon is the lack of IGP and overclocking.

    But get lower TDP and HT

    otherwise on par with the 3570K (stock)?
    The Xeon E3 1230 V2 has 8MB of L3 cache as opposed to the 6MB in the Core i5 3570K which is clocked 100MHZ higher. Hence,IMHO,they should be around the same.

    Also,you might find the Intel stock OK in a larger case.


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