Religion is evil - It is the single largest cause of death through the time mankind has existed.
Unfortunately, I cant think of anything that could have filled the void. The masses need something to believe in - so that they can say "everything happens for a reason".
So - its a necessary evil.
Originally Posted by Blitzen
Dont just say stuff like that without proof - can you prove that fairies dont exist at the bottom of the garden ?
I believe God exists.
Yes you can make contact with God. (That's why God made people, to be in relationships with Him).
Okay, here's the kind of "how" and response I get: Prayer, I pray and talk to God. God sometimes speaks to me, not just through the Bible but I hear his voice. So yes, it will be solid and proof to you.
But like Kalniel says - you can easily explain away anything and everything that happens in your life (pretty much) - and it's all about (blind) faith. You don't see God, you don't see wind, but you see the effects of wind, and you can see the effects of God (and feel, and hear God).
And the best way to make contact personally is to start praying and asking God to do stuff in your life, my personal experience is that he will do stuff in your life. How far you go and how much of a response you get, I guess, is to do with how interested you are in finding out more about God.
As suggested by someone else, the Alpha course is a very good introduction to the basics of Christianity, Belief, God etc.
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I once knew a creationist who had a chemistry degree and she straight faced once said to me, "fossils are put in the ground by the devil to fool us".
How on earth do you even begin to try to show someone or rationalise with someone who would say that in these times?
It's simple - you cannot argue with blind faith. No rationalisation will ever do it. You can explain/prove/show that black does not equal white yet someone with faith can simply ignore the rational because it does not fit in with their beliefs. tbh I wouldn't bother, it's a lost cause, a bit like explaining cricket to an American
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I would still like an answer to to my previous questions if possible;
Can someone explain why the Atheists/scientists would dont believe in creationism will not go to heaven if it exists?
The Founding fathers of America, Albert Einstein, Steven Hawkins - all atheists and all people that have arguably helped the human race in one way or another and have (as far as i know) not done any evil deeds. Are they doomed to hell?
Secondly, do any of the Christians here believe that such tales in bible really happened? Because i would love to hear their take on the Noah's Ark story. Mainly, was god right to punish ALL humans and ALL Animals (what did they do wrong?). How did Noah build a boat that could hold Millions and Millions of creatures?
In fact, even if it did not happen, what's the moral of the story?
Thirdly, do any of the Christians here believe that if they were brought up in a Muslim country, buy a good Muslim family, never left that country and never saw a copy of the bible, would they still have ended up as a 'Christian'.
Can someone please answer these questions for me?
Not trying to make any serious point, attack anyone, just curious.
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Yes. It has and does happen. Check the bookshelves, there's quite a few Muslims who have written books on their conversion to Christianity. Of course a lot of them were thrown out of their homes and disconnected from their families because of it
Because you have to accept Jesus as your saviour in order to get into heaven.
Typically the answer is yes, but it depends on your view of hell as such. I know a lot of Christians who think hell is very real, although I can't get a solid grasp on the whole hell concept. I think it's a very harsh punishment due to it being for eternity.
There's not always a moral of the story. With Noah's Ark, it was just a case of wiping the world of anything bad. I think the purpose of the story is to portray the fact that the earth can and will be wiped of anything bad, and only those illegible for life in heaven will be saved (Noah's family)
Your premise is utterly wrong. They will if they accept the forgiveness offered to them. Believing in creationism has nothing to do with it.
No.The Founding fathers of America, Albert Einstein, Steven Hawkins - all atheists and all people that have arguably helped the human race in one way or another and have (as far as i know) not done any evil deeds. Are they doomed to hell?
Wasn't there some kind of evidence for a flood at that kind of time? I don't know how literal or how allegorical noah's ark actually was, but sure - I think in some way God was trying to 'correct' us and get us to act better, but ultimately it didn't work, nor did laying down loads of rules. As for what they did wrong, well they were not living as God wanted them to live. Back then that was a problem.Secondly, do any of the Christians here believe that such tales in bible really happened? Because i would love to hear their take on the Noah's Ark story. Mainly, was god right to punish ALL humans and ALL Animals (what did they do wrong?). How did Noah build a boat that could hold Millions and Millions of creatures?
In fact, even if it did not happen, what's the moral of the story?
As for the moral of the story, it's saying that prior to Jesus God would/could resort to quite dramatic measures to try and get people to live correctly.. however no matter how harsh they were, it didn't work.
Maybe. There are certainly examples of people becoming Christian without any prior knowledge of it, but in anycase there is a lot of information about Christianity in the Muslin faith - they share the same historical background. I think given access to the right documents (ie ones that made me think about it carefully) I would still have ended up a Christian.Thirdly, do any of the Christians here believe that if they were brought up in a Muslim country, buy a good Muslim family, never left that country and never saw a copy of the bible, would they still have ended up as a 'Christian'.
Does that help at all? Feel free to ask anything else.
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Wouldn't it be entirely dependant on your biblical viewpoint?
I've seen many studies into it, and the "facts" point that way.
Of course, but this whole thread, and indeed forum, is about giving your own opinions as you understand it. No-one can answer for every single person out there that might share some kind of label with you
As an aside I'd love to know how someone thinks the founding fathers of america have made the world a better place
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No my premise is that it does not matter if you are an atheist, you can still get into heaven.
As Kezzer says, you have to accept Jesus. That means millions of people around the world wont because they follow the wrong system.
So being an good Atheist is a safer bet. Phew
I think you need to stand in the corner and have a serious word with yourslef mate.
Dont just say stuff like that without proof - can you prove that fairies dont exist at the bottom of the garden ?
The only thing worth praying to is the toilet bowl on a saturday night.
In the same way there is some evidence for the earth being older than 6000 years?
That does not really answer the question, just sounds like a politicians response. If god made the animals then, basically you are saying that he made a right old balls up so killed them all? How were the animals living that that was so wrong? Did god even give them a concept of right and wrong?
Is that how god teaches us to solve our problems, or is it do as i say not as i do?
Just seems like a strange way to solve a problem for someone like god. I guess a bad workman always blames his tools
One last thing - who made god?
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