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    Re: Should recreational drug use be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Terbinator View Post
    And how would you know if someone was taking there own produce or a government approved substance - that was my reasoning behind the by by propsective tax, I think having a plant on your windowsill is bit different from using your bath to brew.
    You wouldn't need to know where someone got the drug from. If you were going to allow home growing of recreational drugs, you'd control and tax the seeds / seedlings, so you're still getting tax income. It doesn't matter whether someone's taking home-grown drugs / drinking home-brewed beer or they're buying it from a licensed supplier.

    I don't see how you can possibly say growing a couple of plants of a legal intoxicating substance is different from brewing a large barrel of a different legal intoxicating substance. What's the difference? Growing cannabis successfully requires specialist equipment / lighting / etc. (in the same way that brewing beer successfully requires a certain amount of specialist equipment, hops, brewers yeast etc.) and you still need to acquire seeds or seedlings, so the government will still be able to control those. If growing viable cannabis was as easy as putting a pot on a windowsill and waiting, don't you think more people would do it, rather than buying off some random dealer?

    Most recreational drugs are much more complex to produce than cannabis / magic mushrooms anyway, and aren't really practical for home production, but again it would be up to the government to legislate and enforce growing rules as it saw fit. I'm sure that the vast majority of potential users of those substances would rather buy over the counter than invest time and effort in growing their own - in much the same way as the vast majority of alcohol users prefer to buy their alcohol over the counter rather than invest time and effort in brewing their own.

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    Re: Should recreational drug use be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    Growing cannabis successfully requires specialist equipment / lighting / etc. (in the same way that brewing beer successfully requires a certain amount of specialist equipment, hops, brewers yeast etc.) and you still need to acquire seeds or seedlings, so the government will still be able to control those. If growing viable cannabis was as easy as putting a pot on a windowsill and waiting, don't you think more people would do it, rather than buying off some random dealer?
    Not really. The reason we need specialist equipment to grow cannabis is that it's inadvisable to grow it in your back garden (or front garden). Plant a seed or two in April in a grow bag, keep it watered and free from pests and in the sun, and by September you will have a year's supply (if you planted one of the decent new varieties). The problem of keeping it out of sight, but still in light, is why we need grow tents and lights and drip watering.

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    Re: Should recreational drug use be illegal?

    The biggest problem with legalising drugs is the sources of many of them aren't exactly savoury. If we just started importing say, cocaine, the same way as coffee, we'd be funding some pretty nasty and vicicious people who would jump at the extra money being offered and who wouldn't blink for a second at the thought of a little extra tax evasion.

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    Re: Should recreational drug use be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lucio View Post
    The biggest problem with legalising drugs is the sources of many of them aren't exactly savoury. If we just started importing say, cocaine, the same way as coffee, we'd be funding some pretty nasty and vicicious people who would jump at the extra money being offered and who wouldn't blink for a second at the thought of a little extra tax evasion.
    Cocaine is already legitimately imported anyway? If a country like Columbia could legitimately grow and export cocaine they'd be a lot better off. One of the mains points of legalisation is that it takes the market away from criminals.
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    Re: Should recreational drug use be illegal?

    Lucio, you missed the point. Because it's illegal, people in the trade are criminals and because its illegal the trade attracts criminals.

    Legalise it and a lot of the profit suddenly disappears; it's no longer a monopoly, and the criminals aren't naturally gravitating to it. It would rapidly become a cash crop like flowers or tea. The market would equilibrate and farmers would displace the drug barons. It would no longer be a crime, just a potentially dangerous (under some circumstances) activity that needed regulation.

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    Re: Should recreational drug use be illegal?

    i think it should be illegal. that and smoking
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    Re: Should recreational drug use be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brucelles View Post
    Lucio, you missed the point. Because it's illegal, people in the trade are criminals and because its illegal the trade attracts criminals.

    Legalise it and a lot of the profit suddenly disappears; it's no longer a monopoly, and the criminals aren't naturally gravitating to it. It would rapidly become a cash crop like flowers or tea. The market would equilibrate and farmers would displace the drug barons. It would no longer be a crime, just a potentially dangerous (under some circumstances) activity that needed regulation.
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    Re: Should recreational drug use be illegal?

    Haven't read the replies, but I don't think so.

    I think it should all be legal, people know the risks (or they should be made aware of them), it's then their choice to take it or not. Only problem with this is Tax, if it was legal the government would no doubt want a cut, prices would go up, crime would increase, vicous circle.

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    Re: Should recreational drug use be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeterStoba View Post
    Only problem with this is Tax, if it was legal the government would no doubt want a cut, prices would go up, crime would increase, vicous circle.
    Not really - if it was legal and regulated the price would more likely come down compared to the black market street value, which actually reflects the risk of getting caught supplying, not the cost of obtaining the drugs in the first place. A legal supplier wouldn't face that risk, so would have no need to sell at any more than a reasonable mark up above production costs + whatever tax the government levy.

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    Re: Should recreational drug use be illegal?

    Can't see it becoming legal. Don't want it to become legal. Simples.

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    Re: Should recreational drug use be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by psu1 View Post
    Can't see it becoming legal. Don't want it to become legal. Simples.
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    Re: Should recreational drug use be illegal?

    i dont think its something which is so white and black. I think with proper regulation some drugs should be allowed.

    When you look at some of the 'legal highs' which are around now that kids are takin and the quite brutal side effects of them its seriously terrifying. Im no stranger to it all being a big fan of raves (illegal or not) but my understanding is a lot of the drugs i have taken were safer than the 'legal' stuff thats around now.

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    Re: Should recreational drug use be illegal?

    Absolutely

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    Re: Should recreational drug use be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuit View Post
    i dont think its something which is so white and black. I think with proper regulation some drugs should be allowed.

    When you look at some of the 'legal highs' which are around now that kids are takin and the quite brutal side effects of them its seriously terrifying. Im no stranger to it all being a big fan of raves (illegal or not) but my understanding is a lot of the drugs i have taken were safer than the 'legal' stuff thats around now.

    What are the terrifying and brutal side effects?
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    Re: Should recreational drug use be illegal?

    see finlays post

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    Re: Should recreational drug use be illegal?

    Just because something gets legalised doesn't mean it is ok to use. That goes for all drugs, booze etc.

    Why make this new drug legal? Why add it to the list of 'legal' drugs that our younsters are going to think is ok to use? That gives the wrong message to the youth of today. A legal drug doesn't make it a safe one.

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