Should recreational drug use be illegal?

[TAKTAK]

Well, we all know what you are. A drug user who tries to get everyone else to join the bandwagon!! lol

Who isn't?

At the end of the day show me one study that shows that cannabis is more dangerous than cotton wool... Neglecting carcinogens, seeing as though you get that with smoking anyway...

And don't forget, alcohol is a drug that has been legalised and is regulated and taxed to hell... Some people abuse it... Some people abuse razer blades, should we ban them?

Legalise the plants and regulate the hell out of them tax them to the ground and let people make informed descisions...

[psu1]

So legalising new drugs is sending a great message to the youth of today and the future? Where does it stop?

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Well, we all know what you are. A drug user who tries to get everyone else to join the bandwagon!! lol

Yeah, go shoot up some heroin, it's very morish!

So legalising new drugs is sending a great message to the youth of today and the future? Where does it stop?

Here are some of the effects of MDMA - tell me, what is so bad about them? Especially when compared to alcohol.

The most common effects reported by users include:[68]
A general and subjective alteration in consciousness
A strong sense of inner peace and self-acceptance
Diminished aggression, hostility, and jealousy
Diminished fear, anxiety, and insecurity
Extreme mood lift with accompanying euphoria
Feelings of empathy, compassion, and forgiveness towards others
Feelings of intimacy and even love for others
Improved self-confidence
The ability to discuss normally anxiety-provoking topics with marked ease
An intensification of perception, particularly tactile sensation or touch, as well as hearing and vision
Substantial enhancement of the appreciation for or quality of music
Mild psychedelia, consisting of mental imagery and auditory and visual distortions
As well as:
Stimulation, arousal, and hyperactivity (e.g., many users get an "uncontrollable urge to dance" while under the influence)
Increased energy and endurance
Increased alertness, awareness, and wakefulness
Increased desire, drive, and motivation
Cognitive and memory impairment
Hypersexuality and aphrodisiac effects
Analgesia or decreased pain sensitivity

[psu1]

Yeah, go shoot up some heroin, it's very morish!



Here are some of the effects of MDMA - tell me, what is so bad about them? Especially when compared to alcohol.

So, you are saying it is ok to legalise this drug for recreational use? What good will it do? What harm will it do in the future? Do you not care about the youth of today or tomorrow?

Why do we need yet another drug to stuff down the throats of anyone?

[scaryjim]

New drugs are automatically legal because the system we currently have bans specific drugs. MCAT was never "legalised" - it was automatically legal because it wasn't on the controlled substances list, and it's only today that the ban on it comes into force (so it is now illegal, in fact).

However, many "traditional" recreational drugs (cannabis, LSD, magic mushrooms) are well established to have no more harmful side effects than alcohol and tobacco, and there is a perfectly reasonable debate to be had about whether it's right for alcohol and tobacco to be legal when those drugs are not. If you want to make snide but ultimately meaningless remarks without joining in the debate, that's your loss, frankly.

If you'd bothered reading any of my earlier posts, you'd know that my proposal would actually work better than the current system, because it would be illegal to supply any substance without a license, so new drugs would automatically be illegal to supply, as people wouldn't have a license for them. Substances would only be licensed for sale once their effects were well understood and people could be educated about their responsible use by licensed suppliers.

Wholesale legalisation of all substances that can have a recreational use would be a BAD THING (TM) IMNSHO, but there's no reason why we shouldn't legalise some currently banned substances, especially when all available scientific evidence points to them being significantly less harmful than both tobacco and alcohol...

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So, you are saying it is ok to legalise this drug for recreational use? What good will it do? What harm will it do in the future? Do you not care about the youth of today or tomorrow?

Why do we need yet another drug to stuff down the throats of anyone?

Answer my question please - what is so undesirable about those side effects I listed?

[TAKTAK]

So legalising new drugs is sending a great message to the youth of today and the future? Where does it stop?

I mentioned nothing of "new drugs", i said plants

It is very hard to mess with plant life with very few plants actually being poisonous to the point of being fatal (well, there are a lot, but cross contamination would obviously be intended to cause harm, not just to reduce cost, due to the increased cost in sourcing dangerous plant life)

So i repeat, legalise plants, and regulate/tax the hell out of them...

Powders are a different matter, they're alot easier to mix and contaminate as they all look like a white powder... So i'd argue that legalising those is open to harmful abuse by people mixing other powders together to reduce cost/mixing in powders to get you addicted...

You can't do that with leafy goodness... All they can do is add some sage and basil, which just makes you smell like a spice rack...

In short, plant legalisation i'm all for (in it's true planty form)
Powders/Liquids are a vastly different kettle of fish...

Again, show me one study that highlights medical issues from the usage of cannabis...

I can give you loads for alcohol, yet that is legalised and regulated well, some people have adverse effects to everything, some people have adverse effects to nuts, lets ban those...

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Powders are a different matter, they're alot easier to mix and contaminate as they all look like a white powder... So i'd argue that legalising those is open to harmful abuse by people mixing other powders together to reduce cost/mixing in powders to get you addicted...

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Shouldn't that be a good reason to legalise and regulate? Way easier to buy pure drugs that way, and much safer.

[psu1]

Answer my question please - what is so undesirable about those side effects I listed?

I'll let you know when i've tried some! lol

[psu1]

Shouldn't that be a good reason to legalise and regulate? Way easier to buy pure drugs that way, and much safer.

Blimey, you really are for drugs 100%!!!

[SiM]

Legalise as long as:

1) Addicts don't try to stab me.
2) Users have to opt out of the NHS/any other publicly paid treatment/rehab.
3) Hand it out extra strong stuff cheaply and let natural selection prevail!

Should solve the overpopulation problem too

[Agent]

I can't tell if you are a fantastic troll or just a simpleton.

Its KoolPC (come on, you're telling me you didn't notice?!) - so he firmly fits into both camps.

[psu1]

Its KoolPC (come on, you're telling me you didn't notice?!) - so he firmly fits into both camps.

?............

[TAKTAK]

Shouldn't that be a good reason to legalise and regulate? Way easier to buy pure drugs that way, and much safer.

Oh yes, but it is still wrought with many more pitfalls than plant life, by legalising plant life, you provide options for people, reducing the amount of people that aim for the powder alternative.

A powder is very hard to spot contamination (obviously that could be changed with an appropriate supply vessel which can be provided still sealed and was evident if opened, which would render the rest of this post redundant )

With plants, it's hard to contaminate, therefore relatively safe.

With alcohol it is strictly controlled and inspected through the brewing process and is served in a sealed vessel, so you can see that the product has been safe guarded.

Personally i wouldn't ever want to take the risk with powder, there at that many white powders in the world that it's just not worth the risk if something did go wrong, especially so when the same experience could be had from a safer alternative.

What we have to keep in mind is that the majority of people are incapable of looking after them selves, alcohol is relatively safe, as are plants, powder is nowhere near as safe as it's alternatives.

In an ideal world where people weren't idiots, yes, make all of the powders available in a dispenser, that way the user can decide, but we will never get to that point as a civilisation, so in order to prevail as society, legalising and regulating powders is alot harder.

Plants you can grow yourself with little knowledge, alcohol you can brew yourself with little knowledge. Powder not so, so you don't have that option to ensure that you know exactly what goes in.

KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid

Oh and incase PSU1 is assuming that i regularly use recreational drugs, the only drug that i use is alcohol, and only in levels that i deem appropriate... However i'm not blinkered in thinking that everything is deadly, otherwise everything would be banned.

I have a scale for measuring levels of danger as do most people with a mind, it's called common sense, meaning that to me, powders are too hard to make safe to be feasible so i'm never going to touch powder... Plantlife isn't...

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Legalise as long as:

1) Addicts don't try to stab me.
2) Users have to opt out of the NHS/any other publicly paid treatment/rehab.
3) Hand it out extra strong stuff cheaply and let natural selection prevail!

Should solve the overpopulation problem too

Addicts try to stab you as it is.
Should anyone who drinks alcohol or smokes cigarettes have to opt out of the NHS
Can't disagree with your 3rd point to be fair.

[psu1]

As long as you can tell one leaf from another!!