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    Re: burka ban in UK 1 step closer

    Quote Originally Posted by rastamanblues View Post
    Lets not forget this is coming from someone who complained that the family of his daughter, objected to him pursuing a relationship with his daughter's aunt.

    I say hexus, its time to ban the smilie, it looks like a burka to me.
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    Re: burka ban in UK 1 step closer

    Disagree with a possible ban. We already claim the moral high ground over countries that enforce them, so we'd just be sinking to their level to enforce the removal of them. There should be true freedom of choice in wearing one - that means women should not be forced to either wear or not wear them.

    If we have a genuine concern over identity then we should have compulsory identity cards along with some kind of biometric assessment to tie the card holder to the card (finger prints for eg.) If people don't want identity cards then I don't think there's much of a concern about identifying people.

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    Re: burka ban in UK 1 step closer

    That said, should it be fair to force a ban in banks, like they do with bike helmets or anything that obstructs the face?
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    Re: burka ban in UK 1 step closer

    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus View Post
    That said, should it be fair to force a ban in banks, like they do with bike helmets or anything that obstructs the face?
    Only if we're using face recognition as our only means of identifying someone. If we are then sure, the face identification should IMHO be carried out in as sensitive a manner as possible, where possible. But again it's an example of a need for identification and I'd rather we were more open about discussing the need for it, rather than create obstructions for ourselves and then have millions of by-rules to get around our own obstructions.

    If there's a need for identifying for security reasons then there could be other ways of doing it - go to the US these days and you have to have your fingerprints checked by a computer. Doesn't take long at all.

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    Re: burka ban in UK 1 step closer

    There's one downside people are overlooking here, if women are banned from wearing these in public, there's a pretty high chance that many will simply be locked away at home instead by their husbands. Don't forget, it's mostly the husbands and fathers that insist the women wear these garments, and bully the women into wearing them.

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    Re: burka ban in UK 1 step closer

    Quote Originally Posted by Lucio View Post
    There's one downside people are overlooking here, if women are banned from wearing these in public, there's a pretty high chance that many will simply be locked away at home instead by their husbands. Don't forget, it's mostly the husbands and fathers that insist the women wear these garments, and bully the women into wearing them.
    I guess so, pretty extream though isn't it? Like a common control freak lol

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    Re: burka ban in UK 1 step closer

    Quote Originally Posted by Lucio View Post
    There's one downside people are overlooking here, if women are banned from wearing these in public, there's a pretty high chance that many will simply be locked away at home instead by their husbands. Don't forget, it's mostly the husbands and fathers that insist the women wear these garments, and bully the women into wearing them.
    If it does come into force and this spawns a generation of Josef Fritzls, then the government should just ban people being locked up against their will. ohh wait a minute.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by matty-hodgson View Post
    If I moved to a Muslim country with my girlfriend she'd be expected to wear decent clothing and not wear a low cut top or anything like that, so what exactly is the difference? (Sex and the City 2, as an example )
    The difference is you're talking about a British person moving to another country where they are less tollerant of other beliefs and traditions. What is being discussed here (and is often overlooked) is British BORN citizens being told what they can or cannot wear in public. Britain is a much more tolerant society than most, if not all, of the countries traditionally associated with Muslim origins.

    I saw an inteview with the politician in the article linked on TV the other day and he is a joke TBH, he is proposing a ban on "covering the face", and the presenter asked "what about someone covering their face with a scarf wrapped round it in the cold Autumn-Winter?", his reply? "Well Yes, that would be banned, no covering of the face allowed." and followed it up with " the ONLY exception will be teenagers wearing Party masks" WTF !

    They featured a clip with a woman from somewhere up north, Rochdale maybe ?, a British born woman with a local accent saying that she chooses to wear the burka in public as a display of respect to her husband. She said that if it was to be banned it would be like the government basically telling her she cannot go out. When asked about the fact he would be effectively placing people under house arrest because of what they CHOOSE to wear he responded with "Well that's just tough then isn't it" or a similarly flippant response.

    As others have said, banning would be turning our open tollerant country into a restrictive one, not many people who support this are praising countries in the Middle East for being so restrictive, but that's the effective end-point. The tollerant diverse society that we live in UK it what has made it what it is and certainly in my eyes what distinguishes us from everywhere else.
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    Re: burka ban in UK 1 step closer

    Perhaps it should be that you can wear them but you have to remove them for security reasons if asked by a member of staff.

    Going off on a tangent here but what gets me is about introducing their laws to our country. As someones already said if i go over to their country i know to abide by their laws so why should they have expect any different by here. It's not as if we don't tell them to you till your here. It's just common sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by razer121 View Post
    I guess so, pretty extream though isn't it? Like a common control freak lol


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    Quote Originally Posted by handscombmp View Post
    Going off on a tangent here but what gets me is about introducing their laws to our country. As someones already said if i go over to their country i know to abide by their laws so why should they have expect any different by here. It's not as if we don't tell them to you till your here. It's just common sense.
    Their country being England - where do you live ?
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    Re: burka ban in UK 1 step closer

    I personally hate these things with a passion. To me it's akin to having someone on your doorstep and you talk to them through your letterbox.

    I remember when I had a muslim woman come in at work and I had to serve her because none of my other colleagues would do it. I can see why now.

    She was very difficult to deal with, whilst her english was good I found that just having her eyes as the only visible part of her very very frustrating. I was unable to read any sort of body language, and without facial expressions it was even harder as I wasn't sure how I should pitch what I was explaining to her.

    I have no issue with what people want to believe in, but I do take issue when I can't see who I'm talking to properly. For all I know she could have been making silly faces behind that mask at me, although I'm sure she wasn't.

    Not only that but its very intimidating. You feel like your looking at a burgurlar but they've covered themselves up in broad day light.

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