Berg video a fake:This is worth keeping an eye on, is as yet unconfirmed

I got the video from a website, if you want the link PM, I will not post it.

Call me weird, but I've seen 4 videos of people being be-headed, 2 with an axe, and 1 with a knife, and the berg video, with a knife.

They all look pretty real; I wouldn’t recommend people with a weak stomach to view these videos. In the berg video, u can clearly see the blood from the neck; just like the other video I have seen where a soldier gets his neck slashed, which is real.

I honestly think the berg video is real, and it’s sickening how some people can commit such a crime.

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Originally Posted by |SilentDeath|

simplyfy my anti-war-opinions to wars that involve america, because they are stupid tards

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you disagree with WW2?
I know what you mean about them being tards, but surely the war is justified in Iraq, in that it ousted a regime which opressed the Iraqi people? supporting the war for this reason is different to supporting America's conduct in the war, which is despicable.

Ive seen the video, and came across it because it was linked to on another forum i post on. Morbid curiosity made me watch it.

I have seen it. Someone pulled it up in school through the "wonder" of google and got it through all the firewalls and security. I couldn't believe that by typing 2 words in Google a guy was able to find a site with the video and download it on a School system.

So I was in the classroom and I hardly wasn't going to watch it.

Not that I enjoyed it, totally sickened actually, but all these points do make a lot of sense. I was just far too shocked to think like that at the time. The audio is CLEARLY dubbed especially in respect to the screaming which I put down to the video being recorded off an internet stream or something but there is VERY little blood and almost no movement from Berg at all. If this a US conspiracy it really with be the biggest backlash of all time.

There is a large pool of blood, maybe the footage u saw was not very clear. There is a large pool of blood next to him, its dark. He is not moving, why would he with 5 people on him?

Who knows what went throgh his head, he might of just accepted he was going to die, and do nothing. No one can be certain what goes through the mind of someone who knows they are about to die.

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Originally Posted by |SilentDeath|

Havent seen the video, nor do i intend to. Also how did people come accross this video?

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The video could be 'googled' like any other. Plenty of sites had it, I personally viewed it on the website of a local American radio station. (Or maybe a link to another site on that station)

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I dont see why anyone would want to watch the beheading of a man, and based on the evidence presented I would say you are all lucky it was a fake

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It has not been proven, or even sugested with any degree of certainty that the video is fake. I'd still guess at it being real.

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Also this thread is the first ive heard of nick berg, which is stange, considering I watch the news a lot, and stuff...

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The incident was all over the news, made front page's on various newspapers.

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Vaul you may be unlike the anti war mob, but you are still pig headed

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Really me old mate? On what basis?

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I am anti-war, in the case of iraq anyway. I would not be against all wars, but lets just simplyfy my anti-war-opinions to wars that involve america, because they are stupid tards, the ones in there milatary anyway.

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The American military are 'stupid tards'? Erm... Ok. Still, as long as we know that I'm the pig headed one. ;)

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None prayed the mirror photos were real

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Really? And you know this how? Of course some wanted to Mirror photo's to be real. As we are all grown-ups, I think we can name name's so long as it doens't get personal. :D

Blub2k wanted them to be real. Most like him did as well. Anything to blacken the reputation of the British and American forces, and further their own anti-War stance. I'm not sure if he'd admit to it, as such, but there we go. I'm sure he'll comment, in his own time.

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I did not belive it atall, I would and still do belive that photos of americans torturing iraqi's are very real though.

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Well, that's because they are. This is proven fact.

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You somehow seem to belive anti-war people are those that read newspapers and belive all the crap printed in them without any thought that it could be wrong.

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Not quite, but I do believe that, due to a feeling of being overruled (they were not in favour of the war, but it happened anyway) they are more likely to believe what they want to believe. Piers Morgan plastered those pictures on the front of his paper without being sure they were real, did he not?

Good post anyway Silent. It's a very interesting situation, whatever the truth.

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Originally Posted by Vaul

Blub2k wanted them to be real. Most like him did as well. Anything to blacken the reputation of the British and American forces, and further their own anti-War stance. I'm not sure if he'd admit to it, as such, but there we go. I'm sure he'll comment, in his own time.

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Way off the mark, I didn't want them to be real, I have the privilige of not being expected as a good patriot to have to support any troops in the "illegal" war and as a result I am allowed to question whether or not they are real. In the midst of all the "schmalzy" crap patriotism that that thread brought up it may have seemed like that just because I alone chose to question the UK line on it. You have nothing to be proud of with what your government has done in Iraq (again ffs) no matter what they tell you.

Most like me did? What am I like? You looking for a prize for generalisation of the century? Have most people lived in Saudi Arabia for part of their lives? Have most people lived in 5 countries during their lives? I have, so tell me again who or what exactly are most like me? But then you only refer to my anti-war stance.
You have decided not to question your governments position on this war which makes you less open to anything and you decided like a good patriot that they were faked before there was any evidence offered.
You have your preconceptions about me and dont like my sometimes anti-British stance and that is your prerogative but dont try to tell people what I think I will speak for myself, I could make lots of assumptions about what you think and speak for you but I dont, so afford me the same courtesy.
I am engaged to be married to an English woman so I most definitely dont blindly hate the Brits as my posts may sometime suggest.

What sickens me is people not questioning their government, as a patriot you should love your country and sometimes that entails stopping a government doing illegal things in the name of said country so as to maintain a reputation that goes beyond your lifetime, now that would be real patriotism.
Start asking questions or you become programmed like the military and bend to the will or your masters whenever they call. Question your governments illegal actions dont acquiesce like a stooge, leave that to the professional military.

A few brief words by way of reply, if I may?

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Originally Posted by Blub2k

Way off the mark, I didn't want them to be real

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You certainly seemed less eager to admit they were obviously fake than most others. The reasons for this?

* - Quote from Blub: "I have not yet been convinced and think you have all been had, big stylee."

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Most like me did? What am I like? You looking for a prize for generalisation of the century? Have most people lived in Saudi Arabia for part of their lives? Have most people lived in 5 countries during their lives? I have, so tell me again who or what exactly are most like me? But then you only refer to my anti-war stance.

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I only refer to your anti-War stance, as that's what we are talking about in this thread, Blub. It doesn't matter if you've lived in Saudi Arabia, nor does any other fact about your life, to date. I don't know anything about you as a person, all I have to go on, and all I should go on in this forum, is your political views. Forgive me if I have stepped outside those.

As for the Daily Mirror pictures; When I first looked at these pictures, I was thinking - Hmmm, something not quite right about these pictures. They looked a little flat, and a little staged.

When it emerged that I was not alone in thinking this, and everyone was questioning the validity of these photographs, I became very sceptical.

As it turns out, I was right to be so.

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I am engaged to be married to an English woman so I most definitely dont blindly hate the Brits as my posts may sometime suggest.

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Top man, hope it all works out for you; although, if you agree that your posts could give the impression that you 'hate' the Brits, perhaps you should review your posting style?

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What sickens me is people not questioning their government, as a patriot you should love your country and sometimes that entails stopping a government doing illegal things in the name of said country so as to maintain a reputation that goes beyond your lifetime, now that would be real patriotism.

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Yes, but you have to realise, that just because you think its illegal and wrong, doesn't mean that everyone else agrees, but is not prepared to question the government.

Maybe some of us don't question it as you do, because some agree with what they have done?

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Question your governments illegal actions dont acquiesce like a stooge, leave that to the professional military.

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See above.

Cheers,

Vaul.

Right this thread, is a bit, of topic. Im suprised theres no name calling yet and its still a discussion and not a flame war,so lets keep it that way....

Blub2k's belifes, morals, and point of view are also off topic, take them to another thread as I find the topic of this thread something that needs to be discussed...

Vaul - You should learn not to sterotype etc.. even if thats what you think about a person, it will imply the opposite. It is really not a good way to argue or discuss a point.

DeludedGuy - You are very weird, and I think you need counsiling, noone should watch these videos out of chioce.

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Originally Posted by Dickie

you disagree with WW2?
I know what you mean about them being tards, but surely the war is justified in Iraq, in that it ousted a regime which opressed the Iraqi people? supporting the war for this reason is different to supporting America's conduct in the war, which is despicable.

Ive seen the video, and came across it because it was linked to on another forum i post on. Morbid curiosity made me watch it.

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I was affriad someone would over-simplyfy my over-simplyfication :E
current war and military efforts are NOT suitable for this kind of situation. Americans do not know how to fight, there military leaders are [word would not be allowed on here] tards.
Saddam and the other leaders in iraq could have been assasinated and all it would have took would be ONE person to do it, and a team of others to support etc... I havent watched too many james bond films, it is entirly possible and should of been the way it was done.
Why did americans lose the vietnam war? they were using open field tactics in a jungle, the enviroment was very different, its not difficult to understand why they lost. You would think they would relise it before loosing so many people.
War in iraq is ILLEGAIL, although there are GOOD resons for it, this does not justify the means it was carried out. You have over simplyfied this point - in other words you are saying if one man kills some one close to you, so you are justified to kill there friends family including women and children and innocent people with nothing to do with it.
I am sure this is not the point you were trying to put accross.

I have just rememebered seeing a video before that I found on kazza. It showed a woman in a chair and a man pointing a gun at her head. She was screeming like you would expect, the gun fired, the wall behind went red and her head went back and stoped moving compleatly. I was sickened by this and hope that it was fake as the dubbed over vioce said it was, and it could definatly have been fake.

Forget the Piers Morgan stuff it is irrelevant, he is a tard, he knows hes a tard, everyone does, yet he continues to be a tard.

Vaul - I think the Brittish presence in iraq is extreemly justified, Britain * N E E D S* to stay in Iraq for as long as the US stays there, if not longer.
British troops are not stupid, they know what they are doing and they are doing it well. the leaders have good plans and are helping a lot to help iraq. Compare Brittish and the US presence in iraq to sending a experienced war veteran with a small knife and a fully armed [quake2 style chain guns included] 13yr old chav into iraq. I think the war veteran would last a LOT longer.

I do hate a lot of americans, ones that match the typical american image/sterotype that I think fits them the best, I know this image/sterotype will not fit everyone in america and this is why sterotyping is not a good thing.
This image consists of people that do NOT know what they are doing, but pretend to for the sake of it. Have annoying monotone vioces and really crappy accents, bush is a good example. Body langage says "i r t3h 1337, j00 nub". body language is best shown in this vid, http://forums.hexus.net/showthread.php?t=20450 notice the movement of eyebrows, cheesy smiling and the way he constantly nods his head like he has nothing better to do.
He thinks he knows all and doesnt consider he knows less than others, essentially bush is a propagander puppet for the nub behind it. His purpose is to convince the population that war is the best thing for america. when 70% of the population are chavs, this is the best way to win the masses onto your side.
Its wrong, its evil, but it works. This is why I hate america - it is corrupt compleatly.

So whats different in Britians government? well we dont have nearly as much conspiracy, or should that be conspriicy theroys?
Britain has evolved, Britain is open. america was rushed, they got things very very wrong the first time round, and now its stuck. Secrecy doesnt work. Propagander doesnt work (well it does, but it is not a good thing for the country - this is my point).
If the people are educated about a subject with no censoring of things that could potentially put them out of favour, then people will learn, and the thing that is right will be obvious. If you let a select few make all the desisions, it is like a family that is inbread. the desicsions turn twised and wrong and you end up with something worse than a dictatorship, for the reson that dictators are easy to remove, and one person can only do soo much. The american government is like a bunch of saddams but each does less evil things, but each thing will mount up and be worse than what saddam has done.

Hope this makes sence, doesnt bore any one (sorry) no offence intended or implyed. Please remember the context of what you read is not always the same as what the writer implys, vaul you need to learn that is the problem with your posts, good idea to add a disclaimer like this to the end :P

edit - also sorry for the mass of incorrect spelling and punctuation. Understand I did GCSE english twice, and got D both times, which will make me sound like an idiot, why should you read a word I say if I cant even spell? thats your chioce....

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Originally Posted by |SilentDeath|

Vaul - You should learn not to sterotype etc.. even if thats what you think about a person, it will imply the opposite. It is really not a good way to argue or discuss a point.

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Perhaps, although I am not sterotyping, I am basing my opinions on his posts and the style of his posts, over a long period of time.

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Vaul - I think the Brittish presence in iraq is extreemly justified

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Agreed 100%. Have I said otherwise?

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Hope this makes sence, doesnt bore any one (sorry) no offence intended or implyed. Please remember the context of what you read is not always the same as what the writer implys, vaul you need to learn that is the problem with your posts, good idea to add a disclaimer like this to the end :P

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No, I don't need a disclaimer. Blub is a big boy, and he can argue his corner just fine, so as long as it doesn't get to the 'Poo poo head! Big nose!' name-calling stage, we can both make our points without the need for disclaimers.

Although, obviously, it is not my intention to offend anyone, and should this occur, I would appologise, as I'm sure, would Blub; but like I say, I don't see any need for that, as this is just two people putting forth their opinions. Its my opinions of his opinions, if you like.

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Originally Posted by |SilentDeath|

Blub2k's belifes, morals, and point of view are also off topic, take them to another thread as I find the topic of this thread something that needs to be discussed...

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The title of this thread is 'Berg video a fake:This is worth keeping an eye on, is as yet unconfirmed'.

You are just as off-topic as me and Blub, are you not?

hummmmm.. well thanks to this thread I just felt the need to download it and watch it....

Got to say, there does seem to be something not right during the reading of the speech, those guys have white hands and the one on the left looks to be standing at ease the whole way through. The actual beheading looks pretty reaql to me, although the audio that goes with it is well dodgy. I think it is certainly possible to recreate somthing like that in cinema with make up and some prosthetics so maybe somebody could have done the same. If it is fake I really doubt it was the Iraqis who faked it. Looks to me also that the guy is dead through the whole thing anyway, he didnt seem to move at all or even blink. Might watch it again tomorrow and see what I think.