Rave's very good thread that Zakky had to change the name of
NOTE: Hi peeps...Zak here...I changed the name of this thread cos it showed up in Google and was attracting all sorts of unwanted attention:( Sorry. It IS a good thread...it IS correct in its debate assumptions, ie we need to talk about it...have PM's Rave so he understands why I've edited it. Sorry to interfere. The words "fin ger pri nt rem oval " WERE ON GOOGLES No ONE PAGE :(
As anyone who frequents this forum regularly knows, I'm vehemently against the national biometric database that the government plans to introduce as part of their ID card plans. Anyway, while I'll be protesting against the proposals at every opportunity, I figure I should make my contingency plans before Ech3l0n starts tracking every single bit of internet traffic that politically dodgy dissidents like myself generate.
The plans are that the three types of biometric data collected are to be iris scans, facial feature scans and fingerprints. There's not much I can do to get out of an iris scan short of poking out my eyes, and I figure I can get round a facial feature scan by repeatedly 'falling down the stairs'. Consequently, I'm interested in erasing my fingerprints permanently. Anyone know if this is possible, and if so what's the easiest way to do it? I'm thinking that paying a tame plastic surgean to graft skin from a random part of my body onto my fingertips will probably be the easiest way, but informed medical opinion would be appreciated:).
Rich :¬)
Effective fingerprint alteration - a doctor's tips.
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I am a physician, trained in surgery. I can tell you that there are several ways to remove or alter fingerprints to make them useless as identifiers.
A retinal scan can be defeated with a fogged set of contact lenses (easily done by soaking the lens in acetone for a few seconds and then quickly washing it with lens solution. Your vision will be really bad with the lenses but only for the few minutes you are subjected to the scan. It is impossible to do a retinal scan on an awake, unwilling person. All you have to do is move or blink or look away. It is just a photograph after all.
All methods of fingerprint removal/alteration involve scarification of the dermal ridges of the fingers and palms. This is necessarily painful because of the rich innervation of the hands. However, it is not necessary to damage the hands severely in the process. No great loss of sensitivity or ugly scars need result; indeed, a glance at the altered hand would not reveal any big changes.
For the untrained person the use of chemical burns, complete excision of the skin, and lasers are probably not good options. However, heat burns are perfectly acceptable if carefully done. A better option would be the use of a Bovey (high frequency arc generator used to coagulate flesh in surgery) or a Hyfrecator (much like a bovey but designed to burn off skin tags and warts in an office setting).
With some injectable anesthetic (plain Lidocaine 2%) infused into the area to be treated (do not inject more than 7mg at one time), one would use a 10 power magnifying loop (jewler's loop) to identify and mark with a fine point marker each point of identification on the fingerprint. (You must study what these points are of course but they are the delta, the center of the print, each island, split, ending, scar, dot, y, etc. on the print. On a typical finger tip there would be 35 to 50 of these points. Fewer such points exist on the palms and finger shafts.) You would then apply sufficient electrical energy with the arc (or a red hot icepick if you are careful not to burn too deeply) to the point to coagulate the flesh for about 1/8 inch around the points.
Apply a dressing with Elase or some similar antibiotic/enzyme mix to the area treated. Take a large dose of hydrocodone after surgery and keep taking it for three days afterward. This will hurt like hell! Healing will take 6 weeks. Wear gloves to protect the healing hands until the skin is strong again (this takes 3 months.)
The burns will leave shallow scar craters about 3/32 inch in diameter on the fingers and make any identification impossible if you are careful to get all the essential points burned.
Nerves not in the burned areas will be fully functional after the surgery. Very little loss of sensation is expected.
I suggest you do one hand at a time. Hard to function with no hands. By all means experiment a bit with the technique prior to doing a large area. Be very careful not to burn too deeply in joint areas. Remember to treat all the areas where there are pressure ridges (sides of hands, heel of palm, finger tips, etc.)
The various governments of the world cannot be trusted to know who everyone is, where they are, what they are doing, etc. Can you imagine what Hitler would have done with such information? Well, guess what, there are leaders now in power who would do worse than Hitler. Just ask any Christian how safe he would feel in an Islamic state that had such technology.
Governments will, I predict, eventually implant an identifier microchip in everyone, use face recognition computers/cameras, computer wiretap technology and other techniques to make slaves out of the entire human race. Already in the Department of Justice in Washington,DC all employees have a chip implanted in their wrist and are scanned and tracked all the time while at work. Luckily, I will be dead before it happens but it will happen soon. Fight the bastards if you value freedom!
This crap about "homeland security" is just an excuse to suppress the citizens. We don't need homeland security -- we need someone to catch and imprison the assholes who run around the world hurting and killing people, people like Osama and George Bush... It is totally illogical to make the citizens of a country like the USA be fingerprinted when the terrorists are not citizens here.
can you really hide your fingerprints with superglus?
Zak Edit: nope...you dont keep asking this stuff fella.....outta order