ID Statistics and Info kept on yourself

[Rave]

NOTE: Hi peeps...Zak here...I changed the name of this thread cos it showed up in Google and was attracting all sorts of unwanted attention Sorry. It IS a good thread...it IS correct in its debate assumptions, ie we need to talk about it...have PM's Rave so he understands why I've edited it. Sorry to interfere. The words "fin ger pri nt rem oval " WERE ON GOOGLES No ONE PAGE




As anyone who frequents this forum regularly knows, I'm vehemently against the national biometric database that the government plans to introduce as part of their ID card plans. Anyway, while I'll be protesting against the proposals at every opportunity, I figure I should make my contingency plans before Ech3l0n starts tracking every single bit of internet traffic that politically dodgy dissidents like myself generate.

The plans are that the three types of biometric data collected are to be iris scans, facial feature scans and fingerprints. There's not much I can do to get out of an iris scan short of poking out my eyes, and I figure I can get round a facial feature scan by repeatedly 'falling down the stairs'. Consequently, I'm interested in erasing my fingerprints permanently. Anyone know if this is possible, and if so what's the easiest way to do it? I'm thinking that paying a tame plastic surgean to graft skin from a random part of my body onto my fingertips will probably be the easiest way, but informed medical opinion would be appreciated.

Rich :¬)

[Shogun]

You can always burn them off

[Knoxville]

burn em off and the scar tissue will also be unique enough to fingerprint i'd imagine

[Leo]

I dont think Edward Scissorhands woulda had this problem

/I'll get me coat

[TeePee]

Grafted skin will regrow with your original fingerprints.

Why are you so against ID cards anyway? You know it's another government proposal which will cost billions and go no-where... why worry?

[Blub2k]

you could always get some fake prints made up and stuck on, as far as I know they can be made from latex and just glued onto the fingertips, get a print from one finger and duplicate it so that all are the same, preferably use someone elses print. You could also get a little copyright logo made into it

[Zedmeister]

Superglue would do the job. Just coat your fingertips before you go in for a scan and voila! Dodgy prints...

[FarmerJon]

It's not the ID cards that are the problem, its the insistence that they contain all the information possible about a person. In terms of getting rid of fingerprints, burning them off does work temporarily apparently, but eventually grows back to what it was before unless you do yourself some serious damage which probably isn't worth it

[Rave]

In terms of getting rid of fingerprints, burning them off does work temporarily apparently, but eventually grows back to what it was before unless you do yourself some serious damage which probably isn't worth it

Hmm, well I'm not worried about serious damage as long as I can (eventually) use my fingers again.

Rich :¬)

[Lee H]

orbital sander and fingers = no fingerprint

I've got a strip on my thumb going across which is about 1/2 a cm thick where I caught my hand when doing DIY about 6 months ago, and as yet theres no print on the healed skin

[Stolly]

As you say, they are taking rentinal data so even if you totally remove your face and all your fingers and thumbs you still can be identified with almost 100% certainty. Wasting your time and money.

[Blub2k]

It is far from 100% certainty Stolly all of the biometrics systems are bypassable with fairly easy means. Contact lenses for example could do the retinal scan.

[TeePee]

What did you do?

I mean, you must be trying to hide something pretty severe if you are considering mutilating yourself in order to hide from it.

You're going too far for this to just be a civil liberties issue... Maybe we shouldn't be giving advice, if this is conspiracy to pervert...

[ken]

we have biometric scanners to get into the Data Centres at work. they do a 3 point scan,

1,finger print
2,hand print
3,pulse

all these must be confirmed before the door opens !! aparrantly apart from deep scartissue, your fingerprint would regrow the same as before!!

personally im all for it, might help stop all sorts of dodgy elements in the community, what have you got to hide ?

[Blub2k]

Anyone that says you have nothing to hide has no idea of the concept of freedom.
It is offensive to a lot of people that their details should be held on file in case they do anything wrong, innocent until proven guilty is the point. This is a massive invasion of privacy, I would leave a job (yes I work in IT security) if biometric data was required from me.

[TeePee]

But theres a difference between leaving a job and permenantly mutilating yourself.