Presidential Debates

[Platinum]

Whoever wins it wont matter, they are both puppets of a greater evil, dont worry about iraq / afghanistan, worry about the biggest terrorists around across the pond.

[Galant]

This is the intro from a short article, full article linked below:

"This column, which could be titled, "Whatever your position on Iraq, John Kerry is your man," is dedicated to Sean, a listener who called my radio show the day after the presidential debate. He enabled me to understand why most people believe John Kerry won the debate.

Sean explained that he was an opponent of the war in Iraq and only now could he finally vote for John Kerry. I asked him what Kerry said that confirmed that the Democratic candidate was his man.

Sean: "I believe he has a plan." (Kerry said he has a plan some 12 times.)

Prager: "A plan to do what?"

Sean: "A plan to withdraw our troops."

And then I understood. No matter what position you hold about American foreign policy and the war in Iraq, John Kerry holds your position..."

In full:
"How Kerry Won"

An article by Dennis Prager from Townhall.com.

Comments?

[nichomach]

Seems pretty obvious that Prager's attempting to posit a false dichotomy; it's not logically inconsistent to state that while invading Iraq was a mistake, it is not a mistake to ensure that one leaves it as a successful country; consequently, those soldiers serving in Iraq are doing it to produce a worthy result from an initially mistaken adventure. What Kerry says is entirely consistent; the decision to enter Iraq was a mistake. However, the troops are now there. In those circumstances, it's important to leave the country secure and successful. That result will allow the troops to be withdrawn. There's no conflict in any of that, and that's what Kerry's consistently said. Compare and contrast with the frantic back-pedalling being done on the alleged Saddam/Al-Qaeda link by Rumsfeld currently. Now THAT'S what I'd call a flip-flop

As far as unilateral military action is concerned, he's quite consistent too; Kerry would reserve the US's ability to take unilateral action, but with an eye to consequences for the rest of the world. Sounds sensible enough to me, what's your problem with that?

Oh, and anyone who regards Dubya as principled needs urgent surgery to correct their cranio-rectal obstruction.

It's also fairly noticeable precisely what the bias of that site is...

[GreenPiggy]

I think if you need to dredge to the depths of a site that advertises Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter books then it's pretty clear you have no case.
Here's another choice link from newsmax.com(which as you'll note does exactly the same thing)
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti.../2/91008.shtml

[spikegifted]

Found this link which I think pretty much sums up Mr. Bush's evening...

[stytagm]

There were talking about this on news24 last night, The reporter was saying how those who watched the interviews thought Kerry won the debate but those reading the reports on the debate thought Bush had won.

Interesting for two reasons.

1., I read it on the BBC and thought Kerry came across far better than Bush.
2. That's exactly what happened when Nixon and Kennedy were interviewed on the first ever TV debate. Radio listeners preferred Nixon, but TV viewers preferred Kennedy, largely because Nixon looks a bit shifty.

[Galant]

Hardly the 'Be all and end all', but I found this BBC article interesting considering Kerry's constant talk about about strengthening international relationships and the coalition - whoever wrote this doesn't seem to hold out much hoe for Kerry doing any of it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3716558.stm

[Rave]

Bumpage- apparently there's something about it on ITV news channel now.....not sure if its live coverage or what. Check it out digibox owners!

Rich :¬)
Edit: only coverage of the egyptian bombings; perhaps Trevor McDonald has pulled the wool over my eyes

[G4Z]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/10...less_coaching/

thoughts?

[Purple]

Cheating mofo if its true. Very circumstantial though.

edit: i watched the first debate live - Kerry kicked his ass anyway, the reports that were coming out if the republican press "Wrong war, Wrong place, Wrong time" were hugly blown out of context - it was a summary of a fair point. The quote, i think, his speach writer told him to use for a media sound bite, but it back fired.

What the sound bite was meaning to say was that the americans should have waited a bit longer on UN inspections, that they should have concentrated on the actual perpetrator of 9/11, in afganistan, and not gone to iraq with lacking equipment or the backing of the world (which is his "world test" point, not that americans must take an exam before any action as bush and co are trying to spin).

the one single thing that kerry messed up on was mentioning/leaving out some of the allies, but he has a more global idea and perspective anyway so i would let him off.

[Zedmeister]

The Puppet President - certainly has a ring to it. All to easy to imagine cheney on the the other end of the microphone prompting the babbling bush on what to say. And the americans say they are the self proclaimed pioneers of democracy ...... My arse.

[TiG]

Just read that too very interesting if he was being coached, i bet we will see in the third of the debates, as there will be so many wireless device detectors in the room i'm sure that we would find out quickly if he pulled that stunt again...

TiG

[Purple]

if they suspect that there is recording equipment or anything they will use frequencies beyond or below detection or line of sight technology or something.

maybe not

[iMc]

im sure bush will have something up his sleeves.



or in his pocket, or down his trousers.

[coco]

dont think it makes much difference if Kerry wins all the debates, considering the repubicans stole the last election by vote rigging what makes people think they aint gona steal this one

[Alex]

Well, hopefullly, people will be on the lookout for it more this time...