Second Hand Submarines

[Zak33]

I know it sounds corny, specially as I am a second hand car salesman BUT would YOU want your money back if you were Cananda?

They have had 4 old subs off us.....big cost....big cost. We apparently re-conditioned them, and tested them. By all accounts there were working fine.

They have already taken 3 of them, and complained of water leaks and the exhaust gas valves being faulty, but the 4th one broke down off the coast of Ireland, it took us a fair while to find it and decide if someone was to blame, and now we are blaming them for driving it too hard

Sadly, someone DIED from the fire it transpires...

Cananda are not happy...and we have their dough (I guess it was paid up front)

It is just like being at work...but on a big, war-monger scale .

Any thought...or even better, any proper details on it. Cos I am a bit blinkered on this stuff......

"operator error" kills me

[Butuz]

Those canadians - always down tescos car park doing burnouts in their chavved up subs. Its no onder they start leaking and break! They screw em to death!

Butuz

[megah0]

yup, the crewman forgot it was a sub and opened the porthole to moonie at a frigate.

[Zak33]

guys....this is serious!

really.... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3723124.stm

simple fact is they might want their money back. Do we let them have a few 100,000 to sort the problems, (or a few million more likely) or do we take them back?

Or do we wash our hands of them, and say "sorry guys, go see ATI if you want money or help"

I mean...do governments hand out warranty papers on these things ?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3722972.stm the Goverment in Cananda are keeping a brave face....you'd have to when you spent $595 million US dollars (900 million Canandian dollars) on buying and fixing them up.

but a quote like this does nothing to help does it

As well as cracks, leaks and rusty valves, a report in the Times last month suggested that one of the submarines had "a dent the size of a large pizza".

they;ve had the first 3 already...and collected the 4th this Saturday, sailed off in it, and according to reports, must have driven it badly or summit cos it blew up a few hours later...

The HMCS Chicoutimi is thought to have been stripped for parts in an attempt to get the three other submarines working.

magic...the third one was a donor vehicle for the other 3, and now it's at sea, on fire

[Moby-Dick]

so you've got an RCN RMA issue ? well have the got the orig packaging ?

speaking of "used" WoMD's

there is a guy in MK with bits of an Oberon class sub in his garden - including the periscope ( with working hyraulics )

[myth]

they should have bought a sub or two from us... or perhaps a old u boat or two! $595 million US dollars is not much! I dought you could get a los angeles attack sub for that... Letr alone a Seawolf... Dam cheap canadians!

[Zak33]

and thats why I avoid Milton Keynes

cos I'll want one.

Can you imagine the United States peeing their pants with laughter. Lets face it, Cananda would never approach them for an old sub, cos they are not really....friends. But its ok for us to unload a batch of very old subs on 'em.

[megah0]

you can see the engineer on the dockside

"ooops, perhaps this O ring WAS important"

Lets hope the attack hang gliders are more sucessfull.

In seriousness my condolences to the family of the deceased sailor, losing a family member in wartime must be hard enough, nevermind during (relative) peacetime transportation

[myth]

Can you imagine the United States peeing their pants with laughter. Lets face it, Cananda would never approach them for an old sub, cos they are not really....friends. But its ok for us to unload a batch of very old subs on 'em.

rofl...

They couldnt aford our subs! Perhaps if they save a billon or two...

Edit:Wow! They actualy cost $2 billion dollars per boat! I'll take three!

[Skii]

I'll take an Akula

[myth]

I'll take an Akula

I'd rather have a good old US seawolf!

[Big RICHARD]

http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/static/pages/177.html

HMS Vanguard TBH!

* Rule Britannia, Britannia rules the waves! Britons never never never shall be slaves!

[BUFF]

Canada would never approach the US for an old sub as the USN doesn't run diesel/electrics anymore & Canada won't go nuclear.
Canada got the subs for 1/4 of the price it cost UK taxpayers to build them ( & they aren't very old at all - commissioned 1990-1992)

[stytagm]

they should have bought a sub or two from us... or perhaps a old u boat or two! $595 million US dollars is not much! I dought you could get a los angeles attack sub for that... Letr alone a Seawolf... Dam cheap canadians!

I thought the US doesn't have a good line in 2nd hand warships 'cos they hang on to them for too long. As I understood it the US has the budget to pretty much keep every ship they build in reserve, until they are very much out of date.

Whereas us here in good old blighty have what you might call...Ummm a budget military. And tend not to keep our ships so long. Regularly sell old ships all round the world, india, Chili etc all have ex-british fleets. If you're in portsmouth there is (or at least was the other week) a Romanian Type 22, just out of re-fit and off to it's new life looking far shinier than when we owned it!

Mind you If I was the canadians I'd be putting a calm face on it in public and screaming pretty loud in private to get 'em fixed. 'Caveat emptor' I suppose.

ON a related warships note I went round HMS Illustrious at the weekend with my Brother (hes an engineer on board) It might be half the size of a /real/ carrier, and getting near the end of it's life, but it's bloody impressive close up and the engine rooms were great. Huge greasy and noisy. All you car peeps out there couting your HP, he's got 8 Deisels slightly bigger than an intercity 125, and 4 Olympus gas turbines (think concorde engines).

[Zak33]

Canada got the subs for 1/4 of the price it cost UK taxpayers to build them ( & they aren't very old at all - commissioned 1990-1992)

oh no you dont...hold on....

http://www.fact-index.com/h/hm/hms_upholder.html

commissioned is different to built.

that sub was first called HMS Upholder...it was first at sea in Dec 1986 BUT leaked like a sieved and was not commissioned til 1992

so in fact it is nearly 18 years old....it was so bad we wouldnt officially use her until it was fixed up .

Horrible things....

[myth]

oh no you dont...hold on....

http://www.fact-index.com/h/hm/hms_upholder.html

commissioned is different to built.

that sub was first called HMS Upholder...it was first at sea in Dec 1986 BUT leaked like a sieved and was not commissioned til 1992

so in fact it is nearly 18 years old....it was so bad we wouldnt officially use her until it was fixed up .

Horrible things....

omg... Thoes things are usless! They couldnt wage war with africa!