So Rave, in effect, you think this ruling is the end, or at least the begining of the end for school uniforms?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rave
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So Rave, in effect, you think this ruling is the end, or at least the begining of the end for school uniforms?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rave
I don't agree with the decision as I have some degree of respect for authority. I went to school along with my peers and respected the institution I learned at, their rules, and the uniform, If my parents had felt that the uniform had in some way contravened their beliefs, they would have sent me to a different school.
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Originally Posted by Rave
M8 - why dont you 'get a clue'?
Labour are left.
And ppl on the left of all parties still have a say in what goes on in this country.
And besides I didn't say it was the lefties fault, I just said they were destroying the country. :devilish:
If you weren't arguing that it was "the lefties" fault, you wouldn't have mentioned them in your rant about not "listening to what the people of this country want". As it happens, I, Rave, a lot of Muslims and the senior appellate judges in this case all happen to be "people of this country" too, and not only do we disagree with you, the appellate judges have determined that the law does too.
And the idea that New Labour are some sort of bunch of raving Trots is bizarre beyond belief. As for the Left "destroying this country", personally, I think destroying our manufacturing sector, tripling the number of unemployed and increasing our balance of trade deficit by a factor of 37 was a pretty good stab...but then that was the last government in their first 8 years. The tax-cutting régime that increased the burden of taxation on the economy from 34% to 37% of GDP.
As far as I can see, given that the appellate judges explicitly stated that the school has a right to determine a uniform policy, but that when they do, they must have regard to the requirements of peoples' faiths, it's not the beginning of the end of school uniforms at all. The school will just have to adjust their uniform to include the option of an approved uniform jilbab. All these people whingeing about how it's so unfair and stating that it means that she can wear what she wants are just flat wrong.
Oh, and by the way poindextermatic, that would be "ASBO", as in "Anti-Social Behaviour Order". And given that it's the police responsible for enforcing them why does anyone else need to know about them?
As for the "rights of the many", how does expanding a uniform code to include a jilbab harm you? Answer? It doesn't. At all. In any way. In the slightest.
I hope so. I don't believe it's possible to differentiate between religious and nonreligious objections to a school uniform- as others have said, why should a person get special treatment because of their religion?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vaul
Why not, in this instance, what difference does it make? The last thing children need is to be exposed to conformist bully-boy tactics. Do we not all subscribe to humanity & tolerence? What impression are we giving our children trying to inforce such draconian measures such as the banning of religeous atire?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rave
Freedom of expression with a modicum of discression.
I think you've misinterpreted me mate. I'm not in favour of banning religious attire, I'm in favour of banning uniform policies so that kids can (within reason) wear what they like.
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Well said, 0iD, and exactly what the CofA has ruled; schools can have a uniform, but they have to consider peoples' faith or lack thereof when they draw up the rules. All the CofA has done is give effect under the Human Rights Act to Article 9 of the European Convention on Human Rights:
So what she (or any other girl) is doing affects no-one but herself, doesn't endanger public morals, health or safety or (and this is where anyone who uses "honour killings" or "what if my religion says that I have to kill unbelievers?" as a red herring gets caught) endanger anyone else's rights and freedoms.Quote:
Originally Posted by ECHR
I know, i was quoting you out of context, should have ben more specific, apologies. And I believe school uniform should be abolished. Utterly pointless imo. I wore it my entire school career. Doesn't solve anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rave
Yay for Google ads! First thing I see when I come into this thread is a link to The Hijab Shop! ROFL!:lol::lol:
Excellent! Now you know where to shop, young paduan... :P
What is 'within reason' though? To some people somthing is OK to others it is not...
Lets say for example, everybody decides they want to wear religious/faith or other clothes or whatever, then everybody would in effect NOT be wearing a 'uniform' as they would all be different. So, then they would say: wear what you want/must do - but DON'T wear this or that....and there would be no uniform. In my opinion this would be the best way, but that would just create arguments about what was not allowed...but they should either do one or the other, and not make special cases as then this just says 'Your religion is OK' and 'Your religion is not'. 'You can wear that Cross around your neck', 'you can't wear those Nike trainers'. 'You can wear a skirt, but it can't be above the knee'
Am I making sense?
I am a Jedi - why can't I come to school dressed like one?
The ECHR says you can.Quote:
Originally Posted by poindextermatic
The world is just going PC crazy in my opinion :devilish:
They're certainly not saying "your religion is OK and yours is not"; as I've said elsewhere, we have Muslim girls who go to schools around here, and they wear traditional dress in the school colours. Everyone knows exactly what school they go to, and very smart they look too. Some faiths impose a dress requirement, others don't; and some faiths have different sects that impose different requirements. Take Christianity for a start; just as a Muslim girl could wear a jilbab, there's no reason why a Christian girl belonging to a sect that requires it couldn't wear a headscarf. Should Jewish boys be banned from wearing a Yarmulkah (sp?)? Or should someone who is agnostic or atheist be forced to wear religious attire? Either in my view is wrong; a uniform code, however, that is flexible enough to accomodate faith or lack thereof (atheism and agnosticism are also religious positions), whilst still keeping school colours or badge or what have you would satisfy schools desire to have their pupils easily identifiable whilst allowing the dictates of the pupils' faiths or lack thereof to be catered to. To me, that looks like treating people equally, respecting all faiths or lack thereof.
Do you think having schools of one faith or religion is OK?
Overseas do muslims treat people equally and respect all faiths? Do they have mixed schools where people can wear clothes associated to other religions?
I'm just curious, nothing more...