I'm afraid you're in the severe minority of the total population of Christians in the universe (sorry on this planet, this garden of eden) if you believe people who proclaim themselves Christian have any sort of integrity above and beyond that of the average schmo.Originally Posted by odd person
To err is human. To really foul things up ... you need a computer.
a Little bit of stale bread is a better than nothing.
Nothing is better than god.
ergo, a small bit of stale bread is better than god.
That actually has some form and structure (no matter how flawed around the concept of void nothing) the arguments for god don't have that.
Its so simple, there is no impirical edvidence to support the excistance of god. So too people without the ability to imagine things to be excist, even thou there is no sugestion they do. They will understandably never get the idea of god.
Fuddam, you must understand that there is no scientific proccess that can begin to sugest god needs to excist. None at all. As such most people who are inteligent (by means of IQ) find the idea of god a major insult, and those who push the idea wrong.
Do you feal that my religion (God's Wiitness) which is based around the lessons one can learn from the Wii, is any less chance off been true than Christianity, then you are again in the wrong, because the only logic to justify it, is as valid as chrsitanity. Saying "its 2000 years old" or the fact that it wasn't made by an agnostic 21 year old, dosen't make it less valid than christanity.
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lol. have to disagree with you - we need the others, and I hope they aren't sorry, in the end
Poor Fuddam.
*I* believe you Fuddy, I believe in God. We don't need the others. They'll be sorry.
my point was not that christians have MORE integrity than other people - I have repeatedly stated that Christians are just as flawed as anyone else, that we all fall short, etc
I was saying that (in this thread for example) there is an assumption that believers, and especially Christians, have LESS integrity than atheists / agnostics. eg any Christian must be delluded (ie gullible as heck) or lying.
As has I have said before, the fact that christians are deluded does not mean they are (excessively) gullible. Most christians are indoctrinated in their youth and never actually apply their critical faculties to their own religion. This isn't gullibility, although it is delusion.
lol!!!! I have many many friends with multiple masters, multiple doctorates, who are Christians. They surely have some higher IQ than average. And you, pray tell?
2nd, how can you use a word like MOST? where do you get that percentage from (ie majority)? Sucked out of your thumb, it would appear. Have you conducted any polls? Can you quote any stats to support this? I thought not.
sure, you are free to believe such. At same time, will be interesting to see if it's still followed a few thousand years from now, to see the basis for your belief, it's internal consistency / integrity, etc. Furthermore, what evidence there is to support your claims?Do you feal that my religion (God's Wiitness) which is based around the lessons one can learn from the Wii, is any less chance off been true than Christianity, then you are again in the wrong, because the only logic to justify it, is as valid as chrsitanity. Saying "its 2000 years old" or the fact that it wasn't made by an agnostic 21 year old, dosen't make it less valid than christanity.
In this thread, loads of people have said there is zero evidence to support the claims of Christianity, that God exists at all. Well, have a looksee here:
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He states the case better than I, thus the linkage.
Even more so, go outside and speak to a new Christian, someone in your age group, who previously was ardently atheist / agnostic, and see what they say. The most impressive evidence, IMHO, are the changes in the lives of real Christians. To see someone with severe drug / substance problems have their lives turned around, sometimes within a day, is amazing.
If you credit it just to the power of positive thinking, you have FAR more faith in Good Will Hunting than I do.
But you could argue that any sane, rational adult who accepts at face value the core facts of the Christian religion and Creationism (Earth not billions of years old, Adam and Eve, Christ rising from the dead, Earth made 'thousands' of years ago by an omnipotent God, and the other collected nonsense) at face value, must to some extent be quite gullible.
It is all unproven, vastly discredited by modern scientific methods \ theory, utterly insulting to the intelligence, and just a cheap method of controlling believers whilst allowing the belief that death is not the end, just the beginning of a wonderful journey, with angels and things.
Got to be slightly gullible to just think 'Yes, that’s enough for me, God made everything, I'm going to heaven, I love you Jesus', haven't you?
Fuddam should direct his prayers to Darwin, not God. Read what he had to say, not some text from unknown pre-scientific peoples with an agenda, and no real knowledge of the world around them. At least Darwin did his bit to ensure the advancement of his species, whilst he remains in his little bubble of ignorance, shouting at the sky.
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It's an extension of someone turning their lives around, not the reason for it.
What about the poor guy I mentioned fuddam. Surely you have some answers, you do for everything else.
To err is human. To really foul things up ... you need a computer.
I didn't know you expected a response.
Well, I have no idea. As I said earlier.
not true. All you know-it-alls forget that quite often God will do something contrary to what a Christian expects. This is the nature of any relationship. It's not just wish fulfillment, the simple extrapolation from an occurence to assuming there must be a God and he is responsible.
Many people have become Christian quite against their ambitions - dragged kicking and screaming into recognising his existence, but once their eyes are opened, they appreciate what has happened.
I suspect this could be the case for quite a few of you. Not necessarily because of anything I have ever said, of course. Time will tell.
I have a serious concern for you mental health fuddam. I'd see a doctor or at the very least a therapist if I were you.
To err is human. To really foul things up ... you need a computer.
Right, I am going to take this point as an example of your doublethink.
I didn't say that a multiverse was more or less probable than a universe, I was getting at the fact that a multiple universe theory is more credible than the idea that a single universe was spontaniously created by a complex superbeing.
The irony in your superman comment is quite revealing, superman is a 'nice idea' but when it comes to a 'superman' feeding 5000 people with 3 kippers and a loaf of mighty white or walking on water there can be no question. You go on about this relationship all the time, because you speak to god and he speaks to you seems to be the source of your conviction. So lets get this right here, omnipotent superbeing talks to you and you think thats normal, but superman is a wacky idea? yamangman is right you do need to see a therapist, I would also recommend going and doing a physics and biology class just to clear up some of the fundamentals of reality.
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Yeh - we know plagues, "TESTS" of faith etc.
Allow genocide to go without interfering.
He/she/it's either evil, lazy or incompetent but it sure aint omnipotent.
In short the christian version of GOD is a <insert expletive here>
"In a perfect world... spammers would get caught, go to jail, and share a cell with many men who have enlarged their penises, taken Viagra and are looking for a new relationship."
lol. that is SUCH a sad issue to bring up: God has to interfere because humankind can't take responsiblity for it's own actions? lol
time and again people say there can't be a god because if there is, how can he permit such atrocity? well, who caused the atrocity mentioned above? and who should take responsibility for it?
likewise the poverty / famine around the world: if we REALLY wanted to end such problems, people could redistribute wealth etc, but we are all too selfish for that to happen.
God does look on such problems and do something about them: he creates us. But we turn down the job.
and don't go off about volcanoes / acts of 'god' etc. Do you really think this earth is supposed to be paradise? if you bothered to read the book, you'd know we brought it on ourselves, and it's God's intention to rectify it, but that life on this planet is just a staging area.
ho hum
With regards to the whole genocide, famine, wars thing.
Trying to be objective as possible, but if God (whomever that may be) has given us free will. With that free will comes a responsibility.
We caused the famines, the wars and the crazy ass things that go on in this world. And if you blame god, well you believe in him and therefore believe in the statement above and then you now know that you can make a difference.
Of course if you don't believe in God, well that still just confirms that we caused the issues ourselves.
Merry Christmas to all
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