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The headline is just priceless...
Who says miracle cures don't happen?
The headline is just priceless...
Have you seen the film 'Jesus Camp'? It features an interview with Haggard (before his Fall), in which he repeatedly squawks the word 'Fabulous!' in the campest voice ever.
I think it would take a lot more than a couple of months of prayin' (and donatin') to have an effect.
I for one can't wait to hear Fuddams take on this.
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Did they just sit around him and constantly argued with him until he gave in?
However they did it, it's nice to see the most powerful country in the world has such a tolerant attittude towards (once -alledgedly-and-now-most-definitely-not) gay clergy.
Originally Posted by Dareos
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Well, I do not know your views on homosexuality but I would be interested to hear your take on this. Do you think he has been 'cured'?
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I won't agree to the word 'cured' - that's incredibly loaded.
Is he still a closet homosexual? who knows.
Is it possible for someone who is homosexual to become heterosexual? yes - but not through any 'therapy' / psychology / self denial / behavioural programming.
Do I believe he 'discovered' he's completely heterosexual? No.
I think he's just in (public) denial, and if he hadn't been caught, it's unlikely he would have 'discovered' anything.
He's probably been promised some lofty position in the church if he denies his sexuality publicly. either that or a Nintendo Wii.
The only thing he 'discovered' is that if you're a preacher espousing intolerant views it's best not to get caught engaging in drug-fueled sex orgies. The 'Christian' Right loves the idea of curing homosexuality, but it's just another of their many myths.
How then?
Awww, that'd be one way of boosting falling chruch attendances...
"The men in the congregation will now stand as we sing 'All Things Bright and Beautiful'... the women can all kneel... you know what to do..."
um......falling church attendance is a myth, actually. Is based on regular / traditional churches, not modern pentecostal places
eg KT in NW london: over 10,000 peeps
ALM in Bradford & Leeds: also more than 10,000
Hillsong London in Dominion Theatre: thousands every sunday
blah blah blah.
the church is changing, so the old style is falling into decline. Old wine skins and new wine etc.
you seem to have missed a question fuddam
Last edited by MadduckUK; 15-02-2007 at 02:37 AM.
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Falling church attendance is a fact.
Of course, it depends on how you look at it. Even 'Fuddam the Zealot' would admit that church attendance has fallen since, for example, the 1860's.
I enjoyed this book: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Christian-Br.../dp/0415241847
Which studies the phenomenon based on cultural influence. It's hypothesis is that while church attendance has been falling for more than a hundred years, people have only really been turning away from religion in the last 40 years. It's easy to quote figures for the CofE, since they seem to be the only one's who publish them. This book looks at changes in culture, like the children in school who hear the christmas story for the first time (It really isn't something they should hear in school TBH.) Or somone driving by a church when people are walking out, and commenting that they didn't know churches were open on Sundays. There is a trend towards increasing ignorance of christianity (just as I, and many others, are ignorant of islamic beliefs. (Although I have a funny story about Mormons..)) Think of it as a de-christianising of our culture.
nope. I elected not to answer it. Why? Because you wouldn't believe me anyway, so have said enough. Anyone who's seriously interested in the possibility can find the answers easily enough, but I get tired of constant scorn.
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