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    Re: Future build

    Quote Originally Posted by inaamrahman7 View Post
    This model has 1 USB 3.0 and 1 USB 2.0.
    CA-LEXS3-01
    Not according to NZXT: http://www.nzxt.com/product/detail/110-lexa-s-case

    Quote Originally Posted by inaamrahman7 View Post
    Yes, but water cooling would only add extra cost to my build
    But from what I can see, you haven't listed ANY kind of cooler for the CPU?
    AFAIK, that is a pretty essential item...

    Quote Originally Posted by inaamrahman7 View Post
    and whilst I'm not afraid to learn how to setup water cooling, I'd prefer not to install if it adds extra cost and if I don't need it.
    There *is* no setup!
    This isn't a self-assembly, custom water loop I'm talking about, it's a one-piece unit, pre-built that you just take out of the box and plug directly in to your case.




    It usually costs a lot less than many of the decent air coolers (mine cost half that of the decent Noctua fans), outperforms many of them and takes up far less space on your motherboard.
    The included instructions are just about idiot-proof as well (even I managed it with no problems!), so you're all good.

    Quote Originally Posted by inaamrahman7 View Post
    That being said, if I do need it, or decide to get water cooling in the future, would these coolers also work in the Lexa S?
    I'm pretty certain, yes.
    The sealed units will work in just about any case that has space to accomodate them. Most cases can manage a single-fan one, as you just put the radiator in front of the usual exhaust fan at the top of the rear panel. The Lexa has one at the rear top and two spaces in the roof it could go.

    The four long screws go through the back panel, through the fan and fix into the radiator, which holds it all in place.
    The cooler unit goes on to the motherboard just like any other.
    The fan plugs in to the cooler unit.
    The power and PWM leads from the cooler plug in to the motherboard headers.

    That is how complicated it gets.
    Some have buttons on the front to alter the cooling profile (low, medium and high), while others have software that you can play with.
    But basically, even if you don't install the software at all, it still works off the motherboard just like a normal cooler.

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    Re: Future build

    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    That model number (LEXS-001BK) is different. This is the one I'm planning on getting (CA-LEXS3-01)
    http://www.scan.co.uk/products/nzxt-...usb-30-w-o-psu
    I don't think that's listed on the official NZXT site.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    But from what I can see, you haven't listed ANY kind of cooler for the CPU?
    AFAIK, that is a pretty essential item...
    I was just hoping to wing it with the default cooler supplied with the i5 4670k, unless I decide to overclock, at which point I'd research a decent cooler. But, as it stands, I most likely won't overclock, and it's just a feature I have in case I change my mind.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    It usually costs a lot less than many of the decent air coolers (mine cost half that of the decent Noctua fans), outperforms many of them and takes up far less space on your motherboard.
    The cheapest price I could find for the H80i was around £70. I did a quick Google search and found a Hyper 212 for £26, which seems like a good air cooler. Again, please bear in mind that I probably won't be overclocking, and even if I do I won't be going over 4.1GHz. Is the water cooler still necessary or will the Hyper 212 do just fine? I am on a fairly tight budget and can't afford to splash out £70 on a cooler.

    What is the main reason you're suggesting the water cooler? Do I need one over the default cooler even if I don't overclock? There's a 95% chance that I will never overclock. I've never overclocked before, and it's something I'd only try if I felt like the PC was underperforming (unlikely as I won't be rendering videos, or any other intense stuff apart from gaming on it). I wouldn't mess around with the clock speeds just for the sake of it, as I'm one of those people who like to keep their system as default as possible (if it ain't broke, don't fix it).

    Again, thanks for sticking with me!

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    Re: Future build

    Quote Originally Posted by inaamrahman7 View Post
    Thanks! I was just trying to avoid people telling me go ask that in a different forum. Guess that went well!
    Its a tough call!

    But with a build, where there may be dependencies, or inter-related choices, it is sometimes better to keep everything in one thread - and the "review my build" section is probably the best place!

    But welcome to HEXUS - hope the build goes well - you have some knowledgeable people engaging with you here.



    On the subject of PSUs, Corsair don't actually manufacture, but they do design, and Corsair designs generally have a good reputation.

    This link shows who makes the particular range of Corsair units (to Corsair's specification)

    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...er,2913-5.html

    Seasonic tend to have a good reputation for build quality, and build some of the Corsair units.
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    Re: Future build

    Quote Originally Posted by peterb View Post
    On the subject of PSUs, Corsair don't actually manufacture, but they do design, and Corsair designs generally have a good reputation.

    This link shows who makes the particular range of Corsair units (to Corsair's specification)

    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...er,2913-5.html

    Seasonic tend to have a good reputation for build quality, and build some of the Corsair units.
    Thanks for that! Unfortunately, I can't find any Corsair designed Seasonic PSUs that are within the price bracket I'm aiming at (£55-£60). Most of those are not even sold in the UK. Some quick research suggests that Channel Well is around the same level as Seasonic, unless you know otherwise?

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    Re: Future build

    Quote Originally Posted by inaamrahman7 View Post
    I don't think that's listed on the official NZXT site.
    I knew there was a reason I didn't like NZXT...

    Quote Originally Posted by inaamrahman7 View Post
    The cheapest price I could find for the H80i was around £70.
    I just found one for £32 just by Googling. Not sure if I am allowed to link to rival shops, but you just have to Google and it's on the first Shopping page.

    Quote Originally Posted by inaamrahman7 View Post
    Again, please bear in mind that I probably won't be overclocking, and even if I do I won't be going over 4.1GHz.
    I started with the stock cooler myself. Even unclocked, my rig got pretty warm in summer. The Corsair H100 just on Low setting shaved about 55ºC off my temperatures, straight out the box!

    Quote Originally Posted by inaamrahman7 View Post
    Is the water cooler still necessary or will the Hyper 212 do just fine?
    I'm sure the Hyper will be fine, but it depends on how warm your room will get and how much airflow you can get going through your case.
    For just a few quid more than a lower end fan, I got me a unit that will beat the pants off far pricier fans. It's kinda like buying the Ford Escort for £80 and ignoring the brand new Aston Martin for £100 which beats the £600,000 Ferrari!!

    Quote Originally Posted by inaamrahman7 View Post
    I am on a fairly tight budget and can't afford to splash out £70 on a cooler.
    Not now, or not ever?
    I am always advised to buy the best I can afford on certain components. Cooling is one of them, as it stops your CPU from going boom.
    If that means saving up and buying each component separately, then so be it (and I am doing just that right now).

    Quote Originally Posted by inaamrahman7 View Post
    What is the main reason you're suggesting the water cooler?
    Great price, great performance, very low costs and will do very well for any future expansion, overclocking or whatever you may do in the next few years.
    Ultimately your call, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by inaamrahman7 View Post
    There's a 95% chance that I will never overclock.
    I said the same myself not three months ago... Rather than drop a bomb on a better system for playing the latest games lag-free, I simply overclocked and now get amazing results.

    Quote Originally Posted by inaamrahman7 View Post
    Again, thanks for sticking with me!
    Just passing on what I've found on my own journey of discovery.

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    Re: Future build

    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    I am always advised to buy the best I can afford on certain components. Cooling is one of them, as it stops your CPU from going boom.
    If that means saving up and buying each component separately, then so be it (and I am doing just that right now).
    Stops your CPU going boom??
    That will never happen even on a stock cooler, not unless you are incredibly stupid.

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    Re: Future build

    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    I just found one for £32 just by Googling. Not sure if I am allowed to link to rival shops, but you just have to Google and it's on the first Shopping page.
    I found a refurbished Corsair CWCH 80 for £43 delivered. Is that the one you're on about? Or did you mean for a different model?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    I started with the stock cooler myself. Even unclocked, my rig got pretty warm in summer. The Corsair H100 just on Low setting shaved about 55ºC off my temperatures, straight out the box!
    Well, luckily it's winter now, and temperatures are pretty low. I could use my computer as a heater! Well the CPU anyway...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    Not now, or not ever?
    I am always advised to buy the best I can afford on certain components. Cooling is one of them, as it stops your CPU from going boom.
    If that means saving up and buying each component separately, then so be it (and I am doing just that right now).
    Not now. I am willing to consider it 4-5 months down the line. I'm fairly sure I can get one by summer; sooner if I find my system's temperatures are high.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    I said the same myself not three months ago... Rather than drop a bomb on a better system for playing the latest games lag-free, I simply overclocked and now get amazing results.
    Surely with an i5 4670k and an R9 280x, I can get decent results on the latest games maxed out?

    I do also have a niggling concern that with my handiness (barely two years ago, I damaged my pc by hoovering it ), there is a danger of the water leaking out and damaging the system. That's another reason I'm leaning towards an air cooler.

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    Re: Future build

    An air cooler is perfectly adequate for overclocking.

    Even at stock clocks your CPU will handle most of the latest games with ease.
    There may be a few exceptions, mainly RTS type games.

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    Re: Future build

    Quote Originally Posted by Willzzz View Post
    Stops your CPU going boom??
    That will never happen even on a stock cooler, not unless you are incredibly stupid.
    Well OK not BOOM as in blow up, but shutting down and rebooting due to overheating mid-game, pre-xls-save, or some other equally earth-shattering inconvenience.

    Quote Originally Posted by inaamrahman7 View Post
    I found a refurbished Corsair CWCH 80 for £43 delivered. Is that the one you're on about? Or did you mean for a different model?
    No, this one was NOS from a competitor's site.

    Quote Originally Posted by inaamrahman7 View Post
    Well, luckily it's winter now, and temperatures are pretty low. I could use my computer as a heater! Well the CPU anyway...
    Winter now, sure.
    Will you be buying a second, more efficient cooler for Summer as well, then?
    How about an Autumnal one?

    Quote Originally Posted by inaamrahman7 View Post
    Not now. I am willing to consider it 4-5 months down the line. I'm fairly sure I can get one by summer; sooner if I find my system's temperatures are high.
    I just think it better to get one cooler now that will handle both all your current needs, plus whatever you are even vaguely considering for the foreseeable future.
    I mean if budget is a concern, then buy once, buy well and buy right.

    Quote Originally Posted by inaamrahman7 View Post
    Surely with an i5 4670k and an R9 280x, I can get decent results on the latest games maxed out?
    Now, probably. Six months' time, who knows...
    But either way, if you're spending that much on the big parts, why not save up and get higher end supporting components too?

    Quote Originally Posted by inaamrahman7 View Post
    I do also have a niggling concern that with my handiness, there is a danger of the water leaking out and damaging the system. That's another reason I'm leaning towards an air cooler.
    Like I keep saying, it is your call.
    You'd possibly have to drop-kick the cooler across the room to damage it before it bursts and leaks... But then, you could have accidents of all kinds and damage all manner of components, whatever you install. Fans can fail, too...

    Quote Originally Posted by Willzzz View Post
    An air cooler is perfectly adequate for overclocking.
    SOME are.
    The £70 Noctua D14 I tried was not up to it even on a Q6600 and I'll likely never touch another Thermaltake product ever again. The H100 has worked fantastically for my build, so I'm happy and would recommend it. That's the long and short of it.

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    Re: Future build

    What's your budget for the new system? Balancing the parts to your needs within that budget is the tricky bit.

    I see you are using a 1080P TV as a display. To be fair even the AMD 270 GPU is a decent performer at that resolution and is significantly cheaper than the 280X, that frees up cash to get the SSD you would like to have. For a gaming rig 16GB of RAM is OTT to be honest dude so again there is money that can be shunted elsewhere or pocketed

    The Corsair CX range is their budget line but it would be nice to have a semi-modular PSU. Seasonic, Antec, Bequiet are good brands to name a few, in fact many are rebranded units (XFX PSUs are Seasonic for example). For most single GPU setups ~500W is enough, 650W would run a pair of 270s, 750W for dual 280s although 850W would make more sense if you were serious about running dual top end GPUs and overclocking.

    I think most if not all of the Z series mini-itx mobos have wifi and bluetooth built in. If you are running the rig through a TV you might prefer the smaller size and use a case like the Bitfenix Prodigy or Corsair's 250D. For a fullsized mobo (ATX) I'd be looking at the Gigabyte Sniper which is awesome value for money (£120ish). It has great onboard audio and xfire/Sli ready, read some reviews it really is the "entry level" mobo to aim for. I'd personally forget about a wifi card for mATX/ATX and get a pair of powerline network adapters to be fair.

    Think I've waffled enough so I'll shhh for now till you have filled us in on your thoughts All the best with it dude, I'm sure we are all looking forward to seeing what you settle on in the end

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    Well OK not BOOM as in blow up, but shutting down and rebooting due to overheating mid-game, pre-xls-save, or some other equally earth-shattering inconvenience.
    This is why most people stress test their overclocks.

    This guy isn't even sure about overclocking, he certainly isn't going for an extreme overclock.
    Sure an H100 will beat most air coolers on temperature, but that isn't most peoples primary concern.

    For most people a few degrees just doesn't matter, it won't hurt their chip and it won't hurt their overclock either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willzzz View Post
    This is why most people stress test their overclocks.

    This guy isn't even sure about overclocking, he certainly isn't going for an extreme overclock.
    Sure an H100 will beat most air coolers on temperature, but that isn't most peoples primary concern.

    For most people a few degrees just doesn't matter, it won't hurt their chip and it won't hurt their overclock either.
    I know I said I'd shhh but since I didn't delve into the heatsink topic I'll comment again lol

    An aircooler is the simplest solution as all that can fail is the fan and they are more cost effective. CLCs like the H100 have a pump that can fail, ok leaks aren't a major concern like a custom loop but there is more that can go wrong but they do look nice through a windowed case. I'd prefer the new H105 but that's a thicker radiator making case choice more awkward, some cases won't like a H100 either especially with tall RAM.

    Even with an aircooler attention to the case is needed. General rule of thumb, if there is a 120mm rear fan in the chassis a 160mm tall heatsink should fit unless stated otherwise (sound proofing for example can hamper the height allowed). When I do specs I tend to use £30-50 aircoolers as this frees up cash to shunt into other parts but if people like and want a CLC I won't discourage them.

    I'm sure this is all information overload for the OP so baby steps is probably best. Pick a form factor and then case he likes and see what's possibubble from there. I really look forward to seeing how it goes

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    Re: Future build

    Quote Originally Posted by Willzzz View Post
    Sure an H100 will beat most air coolers on temperature, but that isn't most peoples primary concern.
    The temperatures are not mine either, but the *price alone* makes perfect sense to me - For half the price, I get an easily installed water unit which also happens to be better than most air units.
    *shrug*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    The temperatures are not mine either, but the *price alone* makes perfect sense to me - For half the price, I get an easily installed water unit which also happens to be better than most air units.
    *shrug*
    I don't follow you fella...half the price of what?

    There are fairly decent air coolers in the £30 price range that can have an extra fan fitted for better cooling (eg Matterhorn). £50ish and you get more heatpipes and usually dual fans which are larger (eg K2 Mount Doom). Scan do the refurb'd H100 for ~£50 which is pretty awesome cooling for the cash but it has a shorter warranty and the fans are loud full chat, these can be upgraded to say SP120s but then you could just have got a new H100i with the custom LED lighting and much longer warranty for the total outlay.

    To be fair as long as they buy a retail CPU rather than OEM a better heatsink can be added later, although granted it's less faff to just install a good one from the get go. It's really down to the OP to tailor the choices, we are all different with our needs and tastes. The corsair 540 is a really nice case for example but that's over £100, to put it in perspective they could opt for say the Bitfenix Ronin which also has a nice window panel and a refurb'd H100 for the same sort of cash.

    I hope our points of view help the OP reach a balanced decision

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    Re: Future build

    Quote Originally Posted by Honosuseri View Post
    I don't follow you fella...half the price of what?
    Half the price of most decent coolers at the time I bought it.
    Just about anything that would reduce my CPU temp anything near as well as the H100 did, was in the £70+ range.

    Quote Originally Posted by Honosuseri View Post
    Scan do the refurb'd H100 for ~£50 which is pretty awesome cooling for the cash but it has a shorter warranty and the fans are loud full chat,
    You can get them cheaper... and I've never needed to put mine on High. I only ever bother having it on Medium because I can and I like seeing the low temps. I can run everything at full tilt and still have the H100 on Low. The loudest thing in my case is the Seagate HDD!

    For the price of a new H100i, you *are* then bordering on a custom loop anyway, in which case I'd personally never bother... but for the price the NOS H100s seemed to go for, I felt it was worth it especially as I was building on a budget as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Honosuseri View Post
    I hope our points of view help the OP reach a balanced decision
    Oh, indeed. I'm only offering one side of that balance.
    It's all good.

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