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    Re: Due to order a 3XS SA-i7 PowerDAW. Help needed.....

    Just a quick question (or two) Pete. I have been trying to get my head around pixel resolutions/monitor display sizes and how they affect how much you can actually view on screen. Can't really find any explanation on the net for what I need to know. I currently use two Acer AL2416W 24" monitors. These have only got analog inputs - no DVI. I use them at the max res. of 1920x1200 and they have been great for the price. Please tell me if I have got the following correct or not:-

    If I was to buy a 28" monitor with the max res. of 1920x1200 then I wouldn't be able view more on the screen than if I bought a 24" monitor with the same max res. of 1920x1200. The 28" monitor would just be able to display the same image as the 24". The 28 would be "blockier" and probably better for viewing at longer distances than the 24".

    I want to get one more monitor so that I can view Cubase over my 2 Acer 24" monitors and then view the Sonic Core Xite over the new monitor. I really need quite a bit of screen space for the Xite as I need to view it's mixer and devices (such as it's synths and effects) plus it's routing display where all the Xite's audio and midi connections are made. Ideally I would like to go for something larger than a 24". 28" would be ideal. 30" would be very nice but very expensive. The thing is, all the monitors that I have found that are within my price range have a max. res. of 1900 x 1200.

    Cheers Pete.

    Nev.

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    Re: Due to order a 3XS SA-i7 PowerDAW. Help needed.....

    Hi there Pete. How would my setup (3XS SA-i7 PowerDAW with 2 Gainward 8400 GS 512MB graphics cards) cope with using 4 x 24" 1920x1200 monitors?. I am just worrried about all this PCIE bandwidth use affecting other cards in my PCIE/PCI slots and also possible Operating System slowdown. I am thinking of adding two 24" LG W2452TX-PF to the two 24" Acers I already have. I have been impressed with LG in the past and £440 (inc. delivery) for two 24" monitors is cheaper plus gives more screen space than a 30" at 2560 x 1600.

    I have been advised that my PC should be delivered this Friday (19th June). Be great if I can get two of the LG monitors ordered for delivery on the same day aswell.


    Thanks.


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    Re: Due to order a 3XS SA-i7 PowerDAW. Help needed.....

    Hi Nev,

    Sorry about the slow response. I ended up down at LIMS over the weekend hunting for new products last week, so i've not be able to look over this thread till now.

    Your right in what your saying on the first post about the monitors and resolutions. I wouldn't say that a 28" would be blocky by any means, but you won't be getting any more screen real estate over a 24" with the same resolution and yes everything will just appear to look bigger without giving you more desk top.

    If you had the room you could go with 2 x 24"s on top of what you already have (a total of 4 screens!!!) and use one of those for xite's mixer panel and split the devices and routing panel off onto display number 4.

    Once you go above 1920 x 1200 you have to step upto duel link dvi (the 8400gs is one of the few budget cards that support this) and that maybe why a lot of firms cut off their resolution support at that level as you need to be shifting a lot of data when you go above that level (Wiki on Duel Dvi resolutions - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Visual_Interface ).

    Ahhh...

    Now i've read post number 2, it looks like your already on top of that solution. I wouldn't worry about bandwidth unless the's a lot of 3d data being thrown about (which the won't be whilst working with audio) so you should be fine running those 4 monitors with 2 cards and using the hardware/software apps you require.

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    Re: Due to order a 3XS SA-i7 PowerDAW. Help needed.....

    Thanks Pete. I am very tempted by two more 24" monitors but I have to weigh that against the fact that this will leave me less of my redundancy money to live on and therefore less time for me to find a new job! It's that old problem - spend money - nice new toys - need money - got to work - less time to play with nice new toys!!

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    I know the feeling only too well. Done some upgrades to my own studio last month, and it seems I never get time to do any work in there.

    I'm tempted to fake a 2 week kidnapping just to get some time alone without the Mrs pulling her face!


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    Re: Due to order a 3XS SA-i7 PowerDAW. Help needed.....

    Hi there Pete. Got my Scan PC today

    Only one possible problem, which could be a major one.......








    There doesn't seem to be any room to use the PCIEx1 slot as this is blocked by the blue metal strip with the words "GIGABYTE" on it. I haven't chosen to go for any alternative components that would block this slot. It does seem strange that Scan would not mention that the PCEx1 slot could not be used with this system configuration. I expect there is some answer to this but I just can't see how I can use this PCIEx1 slot?
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    Re: Due to order a 3XS SA-i7 PowerDAW. Help needed.....

    Hi Nev,

    It is an issue with a few of the gigabyte boards (in fact a fair few of the x58's i think) as it allows for proper cooling of the northbridge, but to the best of my knowledge it happens frequently on boards from other firms as well.

    I did acturly bring this up back on page one along with a link to the board where you could examine the image when we were working out what cards were going into the machine:

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteG@Scan View Post
    One problem with the gigabyte range is that the pcix x1 on all of them has a heatsink nearby that will make it useless for a uad quad. With those two boards at least you have a 3 pcix gfx slot you can use for the UAD.
    The 1X slot is normally designed for quite small wifi & sound cards that don't need to reach that far back so most people don't consider it (in fact I think it's only those with musical add in cards that would consider a 1X for anything else) so I did bring it up with that in mind.

    Is another slot essential? The ud 4P & Ud 5 will offer you a extra pci-e slot at the expense of various options.

    http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Gigab...00-SATA-II-ATX

    http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Gigab...00-SATA-II-ATX

    If it's critical I can look into what we can offer you in arranging an upgrade to the system.

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    Re: Due to order a 3XS SA-i7 PowerDAW. Help needed.....

    Hi there Pete. Panic over!! I found a photo of the Sonic Core Xite's PCIE card fitted into a PCIEx1 slot of a DP35DP. http://forums.planetz.com/viewtopic....247642#p247642 It's tiny, so I will have no problem fitting it into the PCIEx1 slot on the UD4.

    Haven't actually switched on the new Scan PC yet as I am still awaiting my Xite1 soundcard which isn't due for another week or so. Plus I want to finish a track that I am working on (using my old PC) by this Saturday. I will switch it on in the next day or so and start installing my plugins...I just keep putting it off

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    That is indeed one tiny card! Your right through, I don't think you'll have any issues fitting that into the smaller slots on the board at all through so we're looking good.

    Don't blame you for being focused on getting the old project out of the way, but it may prove time effective to get things installing whilst working on the current one. Make sure you take another snap shot using Acronis when your softwares on the system, so you don't find yourself having to trawl through a load of installs should the worth happen at any point in the future!

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    Re: Due to order a 3XS SA-i7 PowerDAW. Help needed.....

    Hi there Pete. It's been a while

    I have installed Cubase onto my PC along with a few plugins but have not had a chance to use it yet as I have had problems with my Xite-1 Soundcard (purchased elsewhere) that I had delivered about the same time.

    Problem is that the PC won't recognise that I have the Xite-1 fitted into a PCIE slot:- when it comes to installing the Xite-1 driver a message appears Neither of the following devices found: "Sonic Core XITE-1" I have tried installing the Xite-1 card in the PCIEx1 and PCIEx4 slots. I have also tried removing one of the graphics cards and using that slot for the Xite-1 card. But I still get the same error message. I have been advised that the Xite-1 card should be seen as an unknown device (with a yellow exclamation mark) in the device manager but it doesn't appear there. I think there is a fault with the card. The manufacturer is currently looking into this and will, hopefully, get back to me soon.

    I have been advised the following from users at the PlanetZ forum (for Sonic Core/Creamware users):-

    make sure your chip drivers are installed (this has been pointed out already. since you've bought this as a prebuilt DAW, I would assume they have done this, but you never know. It's easy enough to double check. You can download the INF drivers for your chipset from Intel, and if you don't know the chipset, there is a chipset ID utility. But the easiest thing is to just call the supplier of the computer. They probably included a CD, if not they will be able to supply a URL where you can download. It's a simple thing to install, just run the install program Intel supplies. You DO need to eliminate chipset drivers from the list of suspects, so take the time to do this and be done with it.

    AND

    Have you installed the intel chipset driver for the motherboard? the microsoft ones that windows uses by default will "work" for most motherboard components, but not optimally.
    also have a look in the bios and make sure there is not some option to turn that slot on or off.


    I really have no idea about chip drivers - are the Intel chipset drivers installed for the motherboard?

    There is one other small matter - there are two USB sockets on the top of the case, but only one of them works. There are plenty of USB sockets on the back of the case, so it's not like I would run out of them but it's handy having an extra two on the top of the case. Are all the USB slots USB2? I noticed that, on startup, both USB1 and USB2 type stuff is listed (sorry for the lack of technical detail here). If some sockets are USB1 only, how would I know which are which?
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    Re: Due to order a 3XS SA-i7 PowerDAW. Help needed.....

    Hi Nev,

    Sorry to hear the's teething problems, but I'll see what I can do for you here.

    The system will have it's chipset drivers installed, as it's part of the setting up process. Intel do tend to release updates on a regular basis through, and it's always going for the latest one if your having trouble.

    Goto this link

    http://downloadcenter.intel.com/down...D=816&lang=eng

    and download the link on the page. Run it on the machine and it'll take a min to install. Once completed give it a reboot just to make sure, but then you'll know you have the very latest chipset drivers installed so you can rule that out.

    The fact it's not seeing the card at all in any slot through, does sound like a card issue through, so hopefully if that update doesn't help, then they can offer some more advice.

    With the usb slots, both those slots come off the same motherboard header. All I can think is that one of two things has happened.

    The is a cable that runs from that panel down to the bottom of the mother board where the socket it plugs into is. It's possible that in transit this cables worked loose at either end and just needs a little shove back into the socket it's worked loose from. On the bottom of the board you should the 3 usb headers (the manual in the motherboard box will give you a pointer here) and if you just have a quick look next time you try anything with the sound card you should be able to see if the cables where it should be.

    If that looks fine, then the other end is above the dvd drive and awkward to get to. If you give the cable a wiggle that goes to the top socket a wiggle as high up as you can through it should pop it back to where it should be.

    As far as the USB 1 & 2 socket differences. All the sockets on that board should be USB 2. Do you have any older usb 1 devices plugged in (or usb keyboard & mice) as these maybe forceing the controller to slow down to accomodate them on the sockets they are plugged into (USB 2 is backwards compatibile).

    Let us know how you get on.
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    Re: Due to order a 3XS SA-i7 PowerDAW. Help needed.....

    Hi there Pete. Thanks for the quick reply.

    I downloaded the chipset driver from the link you gave but when I ran the file this message appeared:-

    This computer currently contains software version 9.1.0.1012, which is newer than the version you are about to install.

    Are you sure you want to overwrite the current software with the older version 9.0.0.1008?


    I checked on the site which confirms that 9.0.0.1008 is the latest version. Very strange!!

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    Hi Nev,

    Right, after a quick chat with build, I appear to have sent you the wrong link through.

    http://downloadcenter.intel.com/down...=3018&lang=eng

    That one's 1014 and came out over the weekend, so it appears yours is certainly the latest one as of the time it shipped.

    The problem with Intels site, is that they keep a million different versions floating around and don't keep them in order!

    Anyhow give that one a try, and see if it offers up any improvement for you.

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    Re: Due to order a 3XS SA-i7 PowerDAW. Help needed.....

    Hi there Pete.

    It does seem like it is actually a fault with the Sonic Core card itself rather than anything to do with the PC. One other person has it currently in the UK and they have had exactly the same problem as me and don't use the same PC setup. I have sent the card back to Sonic Corer and they are going to look into it and send me a new one.

    I am a bit wary of doing things like updating chipsets, so I will download from the link you gave me but I won't actually update the chipset unless it is absolutely vital!!

    I have had a chance to tryout the new PC using an old Audiophile 2496 card. Wow!! I am impressed!! Had Cubase5 running with an amount of plugins that would have made my old Dual Core 2.4 struggle and it barely registered 15% on the Cubase CPU Monitor. Plus it seems it can handle loads of PCI cards running off a Magma Chassis with no problem. Not really had a chance to really punish it yet in a "real life" situation.....but I will let you know how it copes as soon as I do (hopefully in th next couple of weeks).

    Cheers


    Nev.

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    Shame that about the sonic core card, but at least if you know where the fault lie's it'll be sorted soon enough.

    I've had a few people mention 15% figure on cubase monitor when they've upgraded from a setup like yours and it gives you quite a bit more to play about with. No doubt publishers will soon take advantage of it all through!

    Let us know how you get on anyhow, you should have far more power than you need now once you get that card in and working.

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    Re: Due to order a 3XS SA-i7 PowerDAW. Help needed.....

    Hi there Pete. Sonic Core returned the Xite fixed. I have now installed the drivers for the Xite but the PC crashes either as soon as, or within a few minutes of me, starting up the Xite. I have tried removing one of the graphics cards and all the other PCI cards so that only the Xite is connected but I still have the same problem. I am having to use the Xite in the PCIEx4 slot as the PC will not startup with it in the PCIEx1 slot. I have noticed that the graphics cards and the PCIEx4 slot share the same IRQs. Could this be a problem or is this standard for PCIE slots?

    I tried the link you gave me to download the latest chipset drivers but the link is no longer working. Another new chipset driver perhaps? Well, it has been a couple of weeks! Could you send me a link to the new chipset driver? I have checked the Intel website and been completely confused as to what to download. I found this posted on one of the Intel forums:-

    Third party motherboard manufacturers use the intel chipset on their boards, however the components attached to the MCH and ICH could be different and they may modify the codings of the drivers to include their specific components. Hence it is always recommended to contact your motherboard manufacturers for drivers updates.

    Could this be a possible source for the problems I am having? Should I be using a Gigabyte chipset driver instead?

    Would it be worth me updating the BIOS aswell? Could I mess up my PC completely? Could you supply me with a link to the latest BIOS aswell if you think it should be safe for me to do this? Is there much involved in updating the BIOS?

    The PC itself is working great with a simple MAudio 2496 soundcard and 4 UAD1s and 4 Powercores. I have one Powercore in one PCI slot and the rest in a Magma chasis on another PCI slot. The Magma chasis is one of the best purchases I ever made!! I must reiterate that the problems only occur when I try to use the Xite even when I remove all other cards (including unistalling the Maudio card) and use just the one graphics card.


    Thanks for your help Pete.

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