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    Ok, im starting this thread to give classifieds users / hexus trust users a heads up regarding an apparently new rule - or at least one I wasnt aware of - and one that I think needs to be debated.

    I've had my for sale thread locked and deleted - not because I didnt have a picture of my item with my name / trust clearly displaid, not because I didnt link to my trust account - but because I wouldnt add my full name to my trust profile.

    Now a quick look at the top hexus trust users (by rating) shows that at least half either dont have a name, or only have an abbreviation... including moderators.

    Nowhere in the classifieds rules does it say trust has to have a full name.

    And to be honest I fail to see exactly what it adds to trust that is actually neccessary.

    Firstly, Im not entirely sure its wise to publish your full name - clearly linked to your forum username - on a database that is open to anyone who takes a few seconds to sign up.

    To me, this is just leaving youself open to having your username and 'real name' lifted by anyone that fancies it - who can then swan off to another forum, create an account and begin pretending to be you.

    Imo the whole point of the trust system is to earn feedback from other users - only given after successful sale... surely worth its weight in gold, and with zero risk to the trust users.


    Either way, I'll take the rules and not use the classifieds if a full name is required for trust - I will HAPPILY give my full name, bank details, or whatever is needed to someone genuinely buying from me - I have done before (inc my mobile number and address for people wishing to arrange collection of an item from my house). But i wont needlessly publish any of that info on a database for anyone to see.

    And if this is a new rule - please can we make it much clearer in the FS thread rules section - and can mods please actually state in their posts within the classifieds that its full name theyre after, rather than an ambiguous post about 'completed trust pages'... noone knows what that means.

    I for one feel the risk of giving your name out freely tied to your username is bigger than any benefit gained for potential buyers - surely thats what the trust system of feedback is designed for anyway?
    Also there is of course no actual guarantee that the name given is genuine... so i really cant see the benefit of requiring it at all.

    I would happily buy from someone with lots of positive feedback on trust, but noname - its no different in that respect from ebay - where names etc are only shared after a sale is made.

    Thoughts?


    *** EDIT ***

    Can I ask people replying to add not only if they are comfortable giving thier name away, but if they feel they would need it to 'trust' someones trust feedback?
    As obviously theres a big difference between being happy to give your name away, and it actually being needed.
    Last edited by vrykyl; 27-06-2010 at 11:24 PM.

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    Re: New Hexus Trust / Classified's rule

    Hmmm... I can understand the thing about not giving out your full name to anyone. Personally, i don't mind. But, i suppose it's best if it's only given to those who are buying (as you'll be providing it for address obviously).

    But yea, as with any rule you can't enforce it for some, and not others.

    I'll happily update my page with my FIRST name. Not my last.

    This needs to be cleared up though.

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    Re: New Hexus Trust / Classified's rule

    @ Peterb - name is not marked on the trust registration page as a 'required' field. - Not having a 'dig', but this should be updated, as thats clearly why people are leaving it blank in error (myself included when I signed up, not that Im prepared to complete it in full as asked).

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    Re: New Hexus Trust / Classified's rule

    I've gotten Peter to hide his post for the minute, as I'm interested to see what everybody thinks.

    I've tried to adjust/implement the rules so that they foster and protect the usage of the Classifieds forum, but what I may be comfortable doing, others may not be. So I'd really like to see what everyone thinks - please, be brutally honest

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    Re: New Hexus Trust / Classified's rule

    Thanks Dave - as I said to Peterb via pm - if it transpires it's just me that feels this way, and it turns out my tinfoil hat is on too tight then I'll either eat my words and bow to popular opinion, or withdraw from selling on hexus (most likely).

    Will keep on posting though, only a ban will get rid of me

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    Re: New Hexus Trust / Classified's rule

    Why can't I remove my occupation or web address from Trust?

    I've tried a few times now and every time I open the window again they are back.

    As far as I can see, none of the fields are coloured "required", but it would appear that they are. When I submit changes the page says they have been changed, but the clearly haven't.

    I'm ok with my name being in there mainly because I'm sure it's on the forums somewhere anyway along with photos. But I don't want my occpation in there any more and the web address doesn't have anything on it anyway.


    A couple of points about the rules post: Can someone actually edit it so it is readable? It's not axactly user friendly at the moment. Also, how about putting the date it was last updated in the subject? Then you have a better chance of spotting it has been updated since you last looked.

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    Re: New Hexus Trust / Classified's rule

    i personally dont see the reason for names being needed, username feedback is more than enough for me.

    a name can easily be faked, for that reason what is the purpose?.

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    Re: New Hexus Trust / Classified's rule

    I don't really see what the real name adds to the transaction. Not via trust anyway. There's no way for it to be verified by hexus, for a start. It certainly wouldn't sway me one way or another, as to the security of the transaction. I'm more interested in the feedback, not the fields at the top.

    If money is changing hands, via BT or paypal. Then you have verifiable identity and a 'paper' trail as it were, as it's linked to bank accounts.

    The seller always gets the an address linked to the buyer, the buyer always gets a financial account of some kind linked to the seller. That's where my sense of security has always come from anyway. Frankly every other detail can be lied about quite easily, those are points of contact that are pretty much indispensable to the transaction, if you lie, then you don't get your item/money. I don't think I know the real names of many people I've dealt with on hexus and not had a problem yet.

    EDIT: Just out of curiosity I did a bit of googling, there's over 150 people with my name I found in a matter of seconds. Nowadays numbers(account etc) beat names when it comes to identifying someone.
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    Re: New Hexus Trust / Classified's rule

    I'm inclined to agree with previous posts.

    I've always been suspicious of the "security measures", if I can call them that, that have been introduced lately. It's very easy, for instance, to take a photograph of an item, and then not post it out - thereby conning the buyer. However, I appreciate that it makes it harder to scam people (i.e. I couldn't go out tomorrow and list 3 GTX 480s), and I also appreciate that it makes everything more professional and prevents people from complaining that items don't look in as good condition as the seller implied through their description.

    So although I'm suspicious, I can see some sort of tangible benefit there.

    With the name though, I don't get the benefit. I mean, if I wanted to, I could put Bob Smith in that name field, and then it's job done as far as you're all concerned. If we knew that this information was true, for definite, then okay it's got its benefits - calling up the police and saying "I got scammed by some bloke called i_post_for_lulz off Hexus" isn't going to get you very far as opposed to "I got scammed by some bloke called Bob Smith" - but since there's no guaranteed authenticity it makes it all irrelevant.

    I'm all for making the classifieds as safe as possible to use, but they also need to be as convenient as possible. The more streamlined the service is, the better it will be - so any redundant measures should probably be dumped imo. Photographs, trust, posting history seems more than satisfactory to me, with the usual "buyer beware" situation fully appreciated.

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    Re: New Hexus Trust / Classified's rule

    I think it is silly to include personal details like real names / occupation / date of birth in the trust section. That info should remain private and exchanged between users when proceeding with a trade, it does not make me feel any safe because I can view someone else's real name. I just have a quick look at their rating and then decide if I should deal with them or not.

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    Re: New Hexus Trust / Classified's rule

    To all the above - regarding name this was precisely my point, I dont think it adds any tangible benefit vs a healthy set of user reviews earned from successful sales.

    And for whats its worth, when PM'd and asked by a mod to add my name to hexus trust - i COULD have have chosen to fill in any made up name, the mods would never have known, and I'd have kept my for sale thread alive...

    BUT im sure that like many people selling on here that isnt what Im about - id rather lose classifieds posting rights than fabricate a piece of imo uneeded, but evidently required information.

    I'll take ban and the truth over lying to keep a thread active - which is another reason I'd happily buy from someone on here with no 'name' but good trust feedback.

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    Re: New Hexus Trust / Classified's rule

    i have my name on there and have never really thought about it until now, But i tend to agree with the others i just go by username i have traded with quite a few people on here and have always just gone by username.

    Seems like a silly rule


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    Re: New Hexus Trust / Classified's rule

    Just adding my two-penneth. I can't see any benefit of enforcing the use of real names. Web anonymity makes is all kinda moot doesn't it? At the end of the day, sales are agreed between usernames.

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    Re: New Hexus Trust / Classified's rule

    I can see the positives of adding name, if it's an aid to help spot multi-accounts or people getting around a previous ban etc. But I think the most important aspect of vrykyl's post is that the requirements need to be clear - no decent Hexus user sets out to deliberately break rules, and in the absence of a clear requirement all we can go on is spirit of rules, which I think he was within.

    There are other threads that do break the precise requirements which are allowed to remain, presumably because they are within the spirit of the rules, so I think it is important to keep updating the rules sticky so that things are clear and current - that's all we users have to go on at the end of the day.

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    Re: New Hexus Trust / Classified's rule

    My personal view is that names don't add any value as it's too easy to fake or abuse.

    I think the traders should take the responsibility of getting names and numbers before a trade if they are unsure. The trust system allows users to gauge what level of information they need to gain before a trade can commence.

    But trust should not be used as a identity pass to trade on the forums, not because it's not a good idea but because the insecurity of the system doesn't benefit the honest user, but can in fact better benefit the dis-honest.

    Typing this on my iPhone and it's hard to read back what I've written. Apologies if it's a rambled jumble.

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    Re: New Hexus Trust / Classified's rule

    I dont keep my real name on my trust pretty much due to the reasons outlined by vrykyl. I will give it though once I get into a transaction but I dont see any point before.

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