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Read more.Pre-orders now being taken for what Apple claims to be "the world's most advanced operating system".
worlds most advanced OS...
How can it be the worlds most advanced if it only works with specific hardware. Being advanced is surely hand in hand with compatability?
i will be getting it none the less as my macbook is due for a reinstall and a wipe
i know this is flamebait but, I love how some mac users (note the SOME!) go around bashing win7 for being expensive, when what is essentially a couple of service packs (yes i know 10.6 inst JUST a service pack, but its not more than 2 service packs worth of upgrades) costs £129 if you don't already have the most up to date version. Where as we'll be paying £65 for win7, flat....
If it was a complete new OS, it would be OS v11, its a major revision sure, but thats what it is, a revision.
*goes off to grumble more about big companies fleecing their customers*
My thoughts exactly.Originally Posted by Biscuit
Snow leapard is hardly a service pack it is a massive under the hood upgrade to the os x system. I preordered a copy of Win7 for £50 and I've no issues with that cost at all. I think that's about right.
Anyway, I cannot believe we are paying the same in gbp as dollars, but that's always the way. Interesting there is no discount for HE users.
The family pack at £39 seems pretty good value for money tho.
As for supported hardware being intel only. I agree it would be great if it supported g4/g5's etc. But if they go down that route then you get into the situation Windows is in today with it being a nightmare to create new versions for. It's not like leopard is bad anyway.
Agreed, and Apple did strip out a lot of stale crufty bits too.
But still, supporting generic/arbitrary hardware is hardly an insurmountable task, BSD does, as does Linux, and Windows.
except thats only for users of the very latest version.
Thats like Microsoft saying Vista users can have a family pack for £39 and all XP users have to pay £129 per machine...
And no matter how many under the hood tweaks, its still an incremental upgrade and not a whole new OS. XP sp2 had HUGE under the hood upgrades, completely fixed so many issues and made XP almost a different OS, was still a service pack.
**Disclaimer**
As stated in previous posts, i am in no way anti-apple. I am firmly anti-consumers being ripped off and anti-marketing speak that tries to sell us things at far above their real value.
Being careful to ensure this stays legal, but it really does seem wrong in many ways that this is only available for people with apple hardware.
I'd personally love to give it a go, but Mr Jobs says no, and we all know that it's not for technical reasons.
- Another poster, from another forum.I'm commenting on an internet forum. Your facts hold no sway over me.
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From what I recall, 10.6 is only compatible on recent hardware, i.e. those with 'Intel Insides'. This leaves anything PPC based such as PowerBooks and PowerMacs going as far as 10.5.
Considering all the upgrades gone under the hood of 10.6, it is quite apparent that this is quite possibly one of the most serious overhauls (at least of tech), especially with the transition for 64-bit application compatibility.
Previously, Apple had to deal with dumping IBM and jumping on the Intel bandwagon; they first stuck onto IBM with their promised of faster and faster PPC chips but these were in limited quantities and the Intel C2Ds (and even just the C2s) were not only faster, but faster in terms of Watts generated per cycle. Leaving IBM meant relying on a system for 'current' applications to compile on both architectures and the solution came in way of 'Universal Binaries'. As I recall (my minds rather fuzzy...) it was up to the developers to re-compile their work under X-Code for them to gain this compatibility.
Since developers will take a while to fully grasp and bring out of the potential of all the new tech in Snow Leopard, anyone moving across would have a similar experience as they are right now (since all the apps are *still* 32-bit) and any other advantages of the new OS need to be coded for by developers. It is simply Apple's decision to stop supporting the older PPCs, which is not such a bad thing.
This would mean any code developed for 10.6 should be comparatively smaller, as it is coded and compiled for the same target architecture; rather than with Universal Binaries that can support both of them.
My oldest PPC machine (that's still working) is a 17" Pbook, and considering it's battery has been "dead" for a while and it remains on life-support by way of always being attached to the mains is already a sign that this particular system is on its last legs. Of course, I can imagine how frustrating it must be for those with a lot more PPC tech. At least for now, it does seem Apple will remain committed to the Intel architecture.
Question: I read that 10.6 is available as an "Upgrade". Does this mean we have to upgrade from within 10.5 or can one still perform a clean wipe and install from boot - or would that option cost £130 odd? I wonder how long it takes for both versions to appear "freely" online though
You mean like MS has had in a consumer OS for 6 years now?
Like the BSD on which its barstardised has had for, oh, whats this, over 6 years.
If porting their modifications was any hassle at all, then they coded it badly.
The size of the binary? Really? Even the apps I design which are designed for often as few as 5 users have resource files much bigger than the binaries by factor of 10.
One splash screen image at decent quality JPG, 100k? Thats a hell of a lot of op-codes.
The ONLY advantage I can see is that by saying you must be running 10.6 they are able to make requirements obvious. I've had some issues in the past before now assuming that XP would be SP2 or higher, this was entirely down to my lazyness and need to hit deadline. Thing is once i'd actually bothered to make a proper deployment installer (this takes about an hour including testing, like i said really under the gun) I was able to make it pop up with a suggestion to install the free service pack, including the ability to directly download it (or re-distrabute it with it).
It offers little in the way of new features, much less than we see in service packs, and there are still plenty of bits of 32bit code nocking about. Wow.
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Here's Engadget giving their thoughts on Snow Leopard. Personally, I tend to stay away from major releases for sometimes a couple months on end until my usual software gets updated by various developers. Seems like quite a few things aren't going too smoothly under the upgrade, for Engadget at least, and the system on my (Mac Pro at least) has enough tweaking to warrant my caution.
Usual 10.X releases by Apple, at least in the past, have been accompanied by a whole host of features that is instantly apparent to all users: these tend to vary from various UI improvements (Expose, Dashboard, Spaces [which has been around for years in Linux]) to new Apps etc. However, if you take a look at Engadget's hands-on review it doesn't seem like much has been changed if you were to compare it to Leopard.
I was never trying to say that the 10.6 upgrade was any less of a change than those MS tend to make. It would be difficult for Apple to justify this upgrade at their usual pricing though, due to the lack of significant 'visual' changes. People like to instantly see that they get their money's worth for any purchases and this has always applied to software as well (the point of this thread).
IMHO, the price does seem fair; it's cheaper than a current Xbox 360 title (most retail anywhere between 30 and 39.99 quid), but people do really need to ask the question if their is an immediate need to upgrade; simply for the sake of it.
The Leopard install on my Mac Pro has been running for a while and everything is "working" great; customised the way I like it. I will stick to this until it breaks, but that's me. There was a time when I'd get on the "new update" bandwagon, but experience has always proved that the most of the issues don't get addressed until past 10.X.1 and sometimes even well past .2 (and that's rather severe considering that represents 20% of the new versions lifespan in the bin, at least till the next update).
I just picked up my copy from the Bristol Apple store. Will install it later today.
That was quickDo let us know how your install fares, Cheers!
Thought I'd get it in store this time as it was guaranteed to be in today.
Well so far so good. It's not that different to Leopard.
Only had two apps not work so far, one being Logitech's control centre, the other is little snitch (though there was an update for it unlike logitechs..)
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