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    News - USB 3.0 shows considerable promise. Full Wintel integration some way off

    Native Windows and Intel support still 18 months off, according to industry heavyweights
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    Re: News - USB 3.0 shows considerable promise. Full Wintel integration some way off

    The thing is, other than fast SATA drives, what needs USB3 bandwidth?

    Web cams don't, nor do printers or just about any other peripheral I can think of. A lot of these devices saw a benefit from USB2, the same cannot be said with USB3. It's like moving from DVD to BluRay, yes it's better, but it isn't ground breaking like the move from VHS to DVD.

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    Re: News - USB 3.0 shows considerable promise. Full Wintel integration some way off

    Quote Originally Posted by Funkstar View Post
    The thing is, other than fast SATA drives, what needs USB3 bandwidth?
    Card readers. Scanners. Camera links.

    They are already bottlenecked by USB2.0 so 3.0 can't come soon enough.

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    Re: News - USB 3.0 shows considerable promise. Full Wintel integration some way off

    Quote Originally Posted by Funkstar View Post
    It's like moving from DVD to BluRay, yes it's better, but it isn't ground breaking like the move from VHS to DVD.
    It's all subjective

    TBH, external hard drives really could do with USB3.0, the sooner the better.
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    Re: News - USB 3.0 shows considerable promise. Full Wintel integration some way off

    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    It's all subjective

    TBH, external hard drives really could do with USB3.0, the sooner the better.
    Absolutely - USB2 is a bottleneck and e-SATA isn't that well supported (or designed for that matter due to the lack of power-on-cable).
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    Re: News - USB 3.0 shows considerable promise. Full Wintel integration some way off

    I agree it is needed, no doubt about that. Bigger, faster, harder, stronger and all that

    But I just don't see it as the leap USB2 was. Remember when you couldn't even get external 1x DVD-R drives on USB because it couldn't handle the bandwidth?

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    Re: News - USB 3.0 shows considerable promise. Full Wintel integration some way off

    What's the theoretical bandwidth on a wireless-N link? Must be close to saturating a USB2 connection, I'd've thought...?

    Frankly, I see no downside to increasing the bandwidth available to peripherals. It's not going to hamper the ones that don't need it, and it'll help the ones that do - USB storage being the obvious one. Being able to run backups to USB drives that takes minutes rather than hours would be a godsend...

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    Re: News - USB 3.0 shows considerable promise. Full Wintel integration some way off

    I believe it is up to 300mbit for 802.11n

    edit actually, 600mbit is possible, but I haven't heard of any devices actually using this method of encoding.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/802.11n#Data_rates

    Wouldn't be surprised if USB3 is mainstream before we se 802.11n devices hitting that

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    Re: News - USB 3.0 shows considerable promise. Full Wintel integration some way off

    Quote Originally Posted by dangel View Post
    Absolutely - USB2 is a bottleneck and e-SATA isn't that well supported (or designed for that matter due to the lack of power-on-cable).
    Wasn't there word of powered-sata? What happened to that? I always thought that it was a massive oversight.

    And anyway, why the hell is it going to take so long to integrate USB 3 into Windows?
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    Re: News - USB 3.0 shows considerable promise. Full Wintel integration some way off

    Quote Originally Posted by funke_munke View Post
    And anyway, why the hell is it going to take so long to integrate USB 3 into Windows?
    Lack of real-world hardware - there's just no drive for MS to work in USB3 support given nobody actually has er.. USB3
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    Re: News - USB 3.0 shows considerable promise. Full Wintel integration some way off

    Quote Originally Posted by dangel View Post
    Lack of real-world hardware - there's just no drive for MS to work in USB3 support given nobody actually has er.. USB3
    Until today no-one had dx11 hardware either, but it didn't stop MS from developing it and including it in Windows 7 beta builds

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    Re: News - USB 3.0 shows considerable promise. Full Wintel integration some way off

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Until today no-one had dx11 hardware either, but it didn't stop MS from developing it and including it in Windows 7 beta builds
    Smarty pants - miss the bit about 'no drive'?

    There's just no pressure from industry or from consumers for it yet - despite the fact most of us on here love the idea of it.
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    Re: News - USB 3.0 shows considerable promise. Full Wintel integration some way off

    Exactly, it's about consumer demand, not whether hardware exists or not.

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    Re: News - USB 3.0 shows considerable promise. Full Wintel integration some way off

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Exactly, it's about consumer demand, not whether hardware exists or not.
    Well, in the case of DX11 - there's no consumer demand, nor applications that use it. But really this is utterly pointless oui? My point isn't *where* it comes from, just that it has to come from *somewhere*. I really can't see that's as being contentious, even for you
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    Re: News - USB 3.0 shows considerable promise. Full Wintel integration some way off

    Get out of the wrong side of bed this morning?

    No-one is saying anything about it having to come from somewhere - that's obvious. I was just correcting you about the lack of real hardware point. Nothing more, nothing less.

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    Re: News - USB 3.0 shows considerable promise. Full Wintel integration some way off

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Get out of the wrong side of bed this morning?
    I doth my cap for your consideration, but no - having a rather good day all in all

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    No-one is saying anything about it having to come from somewhere - that's obvious. I was just correcting you about the lack of real hardware point. Nothing more, nothing less.
    ...back at ya for the DX11 thang There wasn't any consumer demand for that. Industry led.
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