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Read more.A Finnish retailer lists the maxed out GK110 based card at €974.90 inc tax.
$1400... good grief. Mind you, given that the most logical setup it would replace is a SLI/quad-SLI 780(Ti) rig, I guess it's not comparatively ridiculous in price. And enough people have multi-780 rigs to make this worthwhile.
Crazy world sometimes, but now with multi-screen gaming and 4K we're going to be able to push these cards way beyond their limits without too much difficulty.
since Nvidia launched the 600 series, now they are slowing down because there is no actual threat by AMD, still their R9 series fall behind 780 Ti, and now with the these cards, AMD still needs to catch up with them next year while Nvidia will release a new series at the same time which will put AMD behind again, so its cat and mouse.
but im happy to see this going on as our graphics cards will live longer than expected.
Yeah, I have better things to spend €400 on than 3GB of GDDR5. Also, calling a GTX 780 Ti a Titan is just going to confuse even more clueless saps.
Originally Posted by Agent
I wouldn't say that there is no threat from AMD. Look at Nvidia's response when the 290 and 290x came out, suddenly there was a price cut and the 780 Ti was released.
I'm still awaiting for the full release of custom coolers on the 290x as they are looking very promising.
Well AMD's best is significantly cheaper than NVIDIA's, they threaten NVIDIA at most price points.
Nonsense; as usual the 'blame AMD for everyone else's problems' card has been pulled. As others have said, AMD threaten or beat Nvidia at every price point. The cheaper 290X beats or matches the 780Ti frequently, especially at the higher resolutions these cards are intended for.
Same story for 290 vs 780
And 280X vs 770
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Even if that were not the case, that argument completely ignores the reality of the market as I've explained time and time again - you don't design, test, re-design, test, prototype, test, tape-out, test, make tweaks, test, ramp production, test, then ship to partners in small volumes to make prototype cards, and again test, then enter full production, overnight. These things are planned well (read:years) in advance, not last minute depending on what your competitor released last week.
Another reality of the current market is, 20nm parts won't be available on the market for some time yet, and both AMD and especially Nvidia are up against a die size wall at 28nm. There's a been a bit of added yield headroom since it came out of course, hence Hawaii and volume production of GK110, but that only goes so far. Even Maxwell is so far rumoured to initially release with smaller parts on 28nm, with the 20nm flagship parts (i.e. GK104/110 replacements) coming much later in the year
Well it makes sense in a way considering the unlocked DP performance. I guess Titan Ti doesn't roll off the tongue too well.
Last edited by watercooled; 28-01-2014 at 05:40 PM.
As watercooled says, the fact that it's called Titan almost certainly means it won't have the DP performance anywhere near as hobbled as a 780 Ti. It's basically a Tesla on the cheap.
I don't need 3 more GB of VRAM just for p0rn!
finally something for MPC-HC
I smell Fanboi
Pretty misguided there, The 290X is within 5% of a 780ti speedwise and vastly cheaper, i'd hardly call that playing catchup.
Also AMD's cards are flying off the shelf at the moment due to thier very good mining capabilities, stockists can't get enough of them.
wow, too many AMD fanboys, my comment has nothing to do with fanboyism, i stated the reality of things, you say AMD beats Nvidia with the price point, the only valid case here is 290/290x and still 780 Ti beats the 290x, i dont care by 5%-10% without taking overclocking into consideration as the 290/290x have very limited room to overclocking, so its a fact that 780 Ti is the fastest single GPU card out there and Nvidia is charging premium price for it which i find it ridiculous and will never ever buy it at that price, but also another fact that they are leading now and can do whatever they want.
if AMD was in that position they would do the same, so dont be too happy that they have low prices for now, the only reason AMD has lower prices for their premium cards is to compete against Nvidia high end cards as they have nothing more to offer. dont tell me mantle and ****, still in beta stages and just one game supports it for now, and also mantle is open source and can be implemented by Nvidia so its not even exclusive to AMD.
some call me Nvidia fanboy where they dont know i have been ATI fan for many years and even had AMD cards after the acquisition, but lately AMD is always behind.
AMD has no exclusive features to offer, so they compete on prices, while Nvidia has some exclusive features and find no real competition on those so they charge more, its same as anything in this world.
at the end, you get what you pay for.
People are probably assuming fanboyism because you're making unfounded and/or biased claims. Your comment on 5-10% makes no sense - if the AMD equivalent is 5-10% faster, for cheaper, than what are you complaining about? Relatively few people overclock, and aside from with the reference coolers, Hawaii is plenty overclockable. And lately I've seen plenty of non-reference Hawaii cards selling for reference prices. You say 290X is faster, then immediately contradict and say 780 Ti is teh fastest card on the market? Does that 'don't care about 5-10%' apply here too, or just when it's AMD in the lead, as I've seen maybe one game where the 780Ti is >10% faster than a stock 290X, let alone equally priced non-reference models...
And how is 290X the only valid case? Looking just at the high end for a moment, look at my previous post. If anything, the price/performance advantage is even greater when comparing 290 and 280X to their Nvidia equivalents.
If AMD was in what position? Having the fastest card? What about 290X release then - it was undoubtedly faster than Nvidia's fastest at the time, Titan, yet it undercut it by a significant margin. This is even ignoring Mantle. Will Nvidia implement an open standard? It's not really their 'thing', but more efficient use of available hardware would be nice for sure.
Again, you state AMD are 'always behind'. How does this make sense when taking all of the above into consideration?
What exclusive Nvidia features do you have in mind? PhysX particle effects in about two heavily sponsored games isn't close to being enough to persuade me, personally. Shield, I don't see the point in investing in a gaming system then playing on a microscopic screen with significant added latency (and it's US-only). I personally don't care about game recording - it's probably a nice thing to have if you're in to that sort of thing, but encoding options are *very* limited, and any reasonably modern system would have no trouble doing it in software (and at considerably higher quality). That said, AMD cards have VCE hardware and similar software is inbound (if not already available) in RadeonPro.
There really aren't any truly exclusive features of either brand that would persuade me one way or the other, that I can think of. TrueAudio is an interesting concept but, as is usual for AMD, it's not artificially restricted to AMD hardware, unlike the nonsense we get from Nvidia. There's absolutely no reason PhysX GPU needs to be Nvidia-only for example, and it's been proven in some games that there isn't even a need to run it on a GPU.
Last edited by watercooled; 03-02-2014 at 05:06 PM.
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