Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 16 of 29

Thread: Ultra HD Blu-ray specification finalised

  1. #1
    HEXUS.admin
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    31,709
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    2,073 times in 719 posts

    Ultra HD Blu-ray specification finalised

    Will this be the last major disc-based movie format?
    Read more.

  2. #2
    Anthropomorphic Personification shaithis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    The Last Aerie
    Posts
    10,857
    Thanks
    645
    Thanked
    872 times in 736 posts
    • shaithis's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus P8Z77 WS
      • CPU:
      • i7 3770k @ 4.5GHz
      • Memory:
      • 32GB HyperX 1866
      • Storage:
      • Lots!
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Sapphire Fury X
      • PSU:
      • Corsair HX850
      • Case:
      • Corsair 600T (White)
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 x64
      • Monitor(s):
      • 2 x Dell 3007
      • Internet:
      • Zen 80Mb Fibre

    Re: Ultra HD Blu-ray specification finalised

    I hope it isn't the last format......100GB discs is not enough to keep all future releases on a single disc.

    Hell, each of my 1080p LOTR rips is 60GB-70GB......how large are they going to be at 4K, 48hz, stereoscopic with HDR and ATMOS?
    Main PC: Asus Rampage IV Extreme / 3960X@4.5GHz / Antec H1200 Pro / 32GB DDR3-1866 Quad Channel / Sapphire Fury X / Areca 1680 / 850W EVGA SuperNOVA Gold 2 / Corsair 600T / 2x Dell 3007 / 4 x 250GB SSD + 2 x 80GB SSD / 4 x 1TB HDD (RAID 10) / Windows 10 Pro, Yosemite & Ubuntu
    HTPC: AsRock Z77 Pro 4 / 3770K@4.2GHz / 24GB / GTX 1080 / SST-LC20 / Antec TP-550 / Hisense 65k5510 4K TV / HTC Vive / 2 x 240GB SSD + 12TB HDD Space / Race Seat / Logitech G29 / Win 10 Pro
    HTPC2: Asus AM1I-A / 5150 / 4GB / Corsair Force 3 240GB / Silverstone SST-ML05B + ST30SF / Samsung UE60H6200 TV / Windows 10 Pro
    Spare/Loaner: Gigabyte EX58-UD5 / i950 / 12GB / HD7870 / Corsair 300R / Silverpower 700W modular
    NAS 1: HP N40L / 12GB ECC RAM / 2 x 3TB Arrays || NAS 2: Dell PowerEdge T110 II / 24GB ECC RAM / 2 x 3TB Hybrid arrays || Network:Buffalo WZR-1166DHP w/DD-WRT + HP ProCurve 1800-24G
    Laptop: Dell Precision 5510 Printer: HP CP1515n || Phone: Huawei P30 || Other: Samsung Galaxy Tab 4 Pro 10.1 CM14 / Playstation 4 + G29 + 2TB Hybrid drive

  3. #3
    Not a good person scaryjim's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Gateshead
    Posts
    15,196
    Thanks
    1,231
    Thanked
    2,291 times in 1,874 posts
    • scaryjim's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Dell Inspiron
      • CPU:
      • Core i5 8250U
      • Memory:
      • 2x 4GB DDR4 2666
      • Storage:
      • 128GB M.2 SSD + 1TB HDD
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Radeon R5 230
      • PSU:
      • Battery/Dell brick
      • Case:
      • Dell Inspiron 5570
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10
      • Monitor(s):
      • 15" 1080p laptop panel

    Re: Ultra HD Blu-ray specification finalised

    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    ....how large are they going to be at 4K, 48hz, stereoscopic with HDR and ATMOS?
    Depends on the compression methods used: it could well be that the next target will be more efficient compression rather than bigger and bigger storage, particularly with streaming likely to make up an increasing proportion of the market.

  4. #4
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    2,207
    Thanks
    15
    Thanked
    114 times in 102 posts

    Re: Ultra HD Blu-ray specification finalised

    lol, so in theory that could be bdxl dual (66GB), triple (100GB) and later quad layer (128GB) blu rays being used.. got to love the way they want to keep making us waste money on another device because you know the old devices won't be compatible, they'll likley force ANOTHER upgrade on us when they decide they want to use the quad layer discs...

  5. #5
    Now 100% Apple free cheesemp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Near the New forest
    Posts
    2,948
    Thanks
    354
    Thanked
    255 times in 173 posts
    • cheesemp's system
      • Motherboard:
      • ASUS TUF x570-plus
      • CPU:
      • Ryzen 3600
      • Memory:
      • 16gb Corsair RGB ram
      • Storage:
      • 256Gb NVMe + 500Gb TcSunbow SDD (cheap for games only)
      • Graphics card(s):
      • RX 480 8Gb Nitro+ OC (with auto OC to above 580 speeds!)
      • PSU:
      • Cooler Master MWE 750 bronze
      • Case:
      • Gamemax f15m
      • Operating System:
      • Win 11
      • Monitor(s):
      • 32" QHD AOC Q3279VWF
      • Internet:
      • FTTC ~35Mb

    Re: Ultra HD Blu-ray specification finalised

    I've got to be honest I rarely bother with blu-rays despite being an early-ish adopter (I was also a fairly early adopter of DVD). For most films compressed 1080p streaming or DVD quality is good enough. Sure 1080p bluray looks nice but is it worth the 50% price premium? Not to me. It probably doesn't help I'm cash strapped and although I have a 1080p TV its only a 6 year old budget sony. I can see streaming only improving so I really don't see much of a future for purchased media (after all most films you buy and watch once).
    Trust

    Laptop : Dell Inspiron 1545 with Ryzen 5500u, 16gb and 256 NVMe, Windows 11.

  6. #6
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    411
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    15 times in 11 posts

    Re: Ultra HD Blu-ray specification finalised

    "each of my 1080p LOTR rips is 60GB-70GB"

    Mine are only 30Gb per film and that is without compression, are you simply copying whole disc rather than main film only?

    In my, limited experience, size of the file is heavily effected by sound track file - 5:1 best quality sound takes up a lot more space than 2.0 at MP3 quality.

    My, uneducated,guess is that uncompressed copy of 4k film at 5:1 sound will be around 70GB, just beyond capacity of dual layer disks. Of course if upscaling from 1080p to 4k is very good the obvious question is going to be why bother upgrading your Blu-ray collection

  7. #7
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Posts
    342
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    27 times in 23 posts

    Re: Ultra HD Blu-ray specification finalised

    Quote Originally Posted by LSG501 View Post
    lol, so in theory that could be bdxl dual (66GB), triple (100GB) and later quad layer (128GB) blu rays being used.. got to love the way they want to keep making us waste money on another device because you know the old devices won't be compatible, they'll likley force ANOTHER upgrade on us when they decide they want to use the quad layer discs...
    As opposed to sending out magical fairies to swap out the laser focussing module in your BD player, write a new firmware for the drive seek, and squeeze and extra h.265 fixed-function-block decoder onto the BD ASIC?

    You want to keep playing BDs? Keep buying BDs. DVDs have still stuck around.

  8. #8
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Manchester
    Posts
    1,666
    Thanks
    50
    Thanked
    122 times in 99 posts
    • Percy1983's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Gigabyte x570 Aorus Pro
      • CPU:
      • AMD 5900x + Cooler Master Nepton 140XL
      • Memory:
      • 64GB (4x16GB ) Corsair Vengence 3200mhz @ 3600mhz CL16
      • Storage:
      • 1tb Silicon Power NVME + 2x 4tb Raid 0 (2tbx2) arrays with 250gb Silicon Power NVME cache
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Vega 56 8GB
      • PSU:
      • 875w Thermaltake Toughpower XT
      • Case:
      • Thermaltake Level 10 GT Snow Edition
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 11 Pro 64bit
      • Monitor(s):
      • 24" Acer UHD x2
      • Internet:
      • Vodafone

    Re: Ultra HD Blu-ray specification finalised

    I know better compression is in the spec (h265).

    I will say as a HTPC user my current HD-DVD/Bluray drive is perfect (I own many films in both formats).

    I will say 4k won't be as big a revolution, in many cases of older films 1080p is really pushing the full resolution of the original film so the benefits of a 4K transfer aren't going to be much.

    On the filp side imax footage will look epic.

    Personally I currently have a 47" TV and I can't see 4k really adding much to my viewing at that size.

  9. #9
    Anthropomorphic Personification shaithis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    The Last Aerie
    Posts
    10,857
    Thanks
    645
    Thanked
    872 times in 736 posts
    • shaithis's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus P8Z77 WS
      • CPU:
      • i7 3770k @ 4.5GHz
      • Memory:
      • 32GB HyperX 1866
      • Storage:
      • Lots!
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Sapphire Fury X
      • PSU:
      • Corsair HX850
      • Case:
      • Corsair 600T (White)
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 x64
      • Monitor(s):
      • 2 x Dell 3007
      • Internet:
      • Zen 80Mb Fibre

    Re: Ultra HD Blu-ray specification finalised

    Quote Originally Posted by cjs150 View Post
    "each of my 1080p LOTR rips is 60GB-70GB"

    Mine are only 30Gb per film and that is without compression, are you simply copying whole disc rather than main film only?
    They are the untouched MPEG4 video track and the Dolby TrueHD English audio track, nothing else (unless I needed forced subs, cannot remember if they are burnt-in or a PGS stream). They are the SEs though (so up to 250mins long) and each film came on 2-blurays and I had to stitch them together after ripping each disc separately.

    Admittedly, these are probably the extreme examples but they are also the films that AV fans will be screaming for.
    Main PC: Asus Rampage IV Extreme / 3960X@4.5GHz / Antec H1200 Pro / 32GB DDR3-1866 Quad Channel / Sapphire Fury X / Areca 1680 / 850W EVGA SuperNOVA Gold 2 / Corsair 600T / 2x Dell 3007 / 4 x 250GB SSD + 2 x 80GB SSD / 4 x 1TB HDD (RAID 10) / Windows 10 Pro, Yosemite & Ubuntu
    HTPC: AsRock Z77 Pro 4 / 3770K@4.2GHz / 24GB / GTX 1080 / SST-LC20 / Antec TP-550 / Hisense 65k5510 4K TV / HTC Vive / 2 x 240GB SSD + 12TB HDD Space / Race Seat / Logitech G29 / Win 10 Pro
    HTPC2: Asus AM1I-A / 5150 / 4GB / Corsair Force 3 240GB / Silverstone SST-ML05B + ST30SF / Samsung UE60H6200 TV / Windows 10 Pro
    Spare/Loaner: Gigabyte EX58-UD5 / i950 / 12GB / HD7870 / Corsair 300R / Silverpower 700W modular
    NAS 1: HP N40L / 12GB ECC RAM / 2 x 3TB Arrays || NAS 2: Dell PowerEdge T110 II / 24GB ECC RAM / 2 x 3TB Hybrid arrays || Network:Buffalo WZR-1166DHP w/DD-WRT + HP ProCurve 1800-24G
    Laptop: Dell Precision 5510 Printer: HP CP1515n || Phone: Huawei P30 || Other: Samsung Galaxy Tab 4 Pro 10.1 CM14 / Playstation 4 + G29 + 2TB Hybrid drive

  10. #10
    Registered+
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    Arizona
    Posts
    66
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    3 times in 3 posts
    • HavoCnMe's system
      • Motherboard:
      • EVGA 132-YW-E180-A1
      • CPU:
      • Q6600 @ 3.0GHz
      • Memory:
      • Corsair XMS3 DDR3 PC10666 8GB
      • Storage:
      • 3xWD320GB Raid0(OS) - Seagate 500GB (Backup and Downloads) - WD Cavi Blk 640GB (Media)
      • Graphics card(s):
      • EVGA Nvidia GeForce GTX 470
      • PSU:
      • Corsair CMPSU-750TX (750w)
      • Case:
      • Cooler Master RC-690
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 7 Ultimate x64
      • Monitor(s):
      • Dell SW2309 23"
      • Internet:
      • Cox Communications

    Re: Ultra HD Blu-ray specification finalised

    I'm just glad they got it finalized. Now they can finalize HDMI 2.0B with all the enhancements they mention above.

  11. #11
    ZaO
    Guest

    Re: Ultra HD Blu-ray specification finalised

    This just makes it even more apparent how internet speeds are seriously lagging behind the needed standard these days. Compression is a horrible thing.

  12. #12
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    2,207
    Thanks
    15
    Thanked
    114 times in 102 posts

    Re: Ultra HD Blu-ray specification finalised

    Quote Originally Posted by edzieba View Post
    As opposed to sending out magical fairies to swap out the laser focussing module in your BD player, write a new firmware for the drive seek, and squeeze and extra h.265 fixed-function-block decoder onto the BD ASIC?

    You want to keep playing BDs? Keep buying BDs. DVDs have still stuck around.
    no but the simple fact is we knew that higher res video was coming before bd was announced so they could have thought ahead but that never happens does it

    And actually in my case it is just a new codec/driver hopefully, my bd already supports bdxl because I didn't buy a blu ray player, I added it to a media pc
    Last edited by LSG501; 13-05-2015 at 05:16 PM.

  13. #13
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    2,129
    Thanks
    13
    Thanked
    189 times in 160 posts

    Re: Ultra HD Blu-ray specification finalised

    Sod all of this.

    One thing to remember is that all the old skool ac3/dts kit is cheaper than chips now. Especially the ultra top end.

    Enjoy you films, not the specs of it.

  14. #14
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Posts
    342
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    27 times in 23 posts

    Re: Ultra HD Blu-ray specification finalised

    Quote Originally Posted by LSG501 View Post
    no but the simple fact is we knew that higher res video was coming before bd was announced so they could have thought ahead but that never happens does it
    The first BD device was demonstrated in 2000, and the first consumer device shipped 2006. VCEG didn't even begin preliminary research into the CODEDC that would become HEVC until 2004, and the HEVC Joint Project Group wasn't formed until 2010. Good luck mandating the inclusion of a decoding block for a CODEC that doesn't exist yet!
    Heck, Rec.2020 wasn't published until 2012. Good luck designing your standard to accommodate video specifications that won't exist for nearly a decade in the future.
    Or maybe you want to bitch about DVD not being forward thinking enough? DVDs started shipping in 1995 after Hi-Vision broadcasts had started.

    There is ALWAYS a 'new High Definition System' (the initial name for the B&W EMI-MArconi 405-line system that replaced Baird 240-line, prior to PAL) 10 years away. Holding off on designing your new media for a decade because it'll no longer be adequate in a decade is moronic. You design media for the content that is avaialb,e to the standards that are available.

  15. #15
    Registered+
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Posts
    60
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    2 times in 2 posts

    Re: Ultra HD Blu-ray specification finalised

    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    ....how large are they going to be at 4K, 48hz, stereoscopic with HDR and ATMOS?
    Depends on the compression methods used: it could well be that the next target will be more efficient compression rather than bigger and bigger storage, particularly with streaming likely to make up an increasing proportion of the market.
    compression is h265 instead of h264

  16. #16
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    2,207
    Thanks
    15
    Thanked
    114 times in 102 posts

    Re: Ultra HD Blu-ray specification finalised

    Quote Originally Posted by edzieba View Post
    The first BD device was demonstrated in 2000, and the first consumer device shipped 2006. VCEG didn't even begin preliminary research into the CODEDC that would become HEVC until 2004, and the HEVC Joint Project Group wasn't formed until 2010. Good luck mandating the inclusion of a decoding block for a CODEC that doesn't exist yet!
    no but they could have designed the spec to h264 and larger capacity/physical size discs or made it so that the hardware/software was upgradeable to support different codecs by using a different method to decode files (ie similar to how a pc works).

    Or maybe you want to bitch about DVD not being forward thinking enough? DVDs started shipping in 1995 after Hi-Vision broadcasts had started.
    blu ray was supposed to supersede dvd as a more future proof product with support for higher resolutions (anybody with an ounce of design knowledge would have realised that screen res would increase), it's not like they didn't exist back then, IMAX had been around commercially since the 1990's if not before. DVD was basically an alternative to video.

    There is ALWAYS a 'new High Definition System' (the initial name for the B&W EMI-MArconi 405-line system that replaced Baird 240-line, prior to PAL) 10 years away. Holding off on designing your new media for a decade because it'll no longer be adequate in a decade is moronic. You design media for the content that is avaialb,e to the standards that are available.
    You don't hold off, you design your product so that it can be updated without the need for new equipment each time the spec gets changed, it's not exactly a hard concept to understand... even Samsung have started to understand this to a point in their high end tv's (you can just replace the smart tv bit not the whole tv).

    You also seem to be missing that this is a specification change for an existing product not a completely new product, it's still blu ray, just on a higher capacity disc with a different codec in some cases. It shouldn't NEED a new player if it was spec'd properly in the first place
    Last edited by LSG501; 13-05-2015 at 11:19 PM.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •