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    TSMC starts volume production of 16nm chips

    Gears up for Nvidia Pascal, but the initial run will be dedicated to producing Apple SoCs.
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    Re: TSMC starts volume production of 16nm chips

    So I should wait instead of upgrading to an R9 390?

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    Re: TSMC starts volume production of 16nm chips

    Quote Originally Posted by PuremasterZ View Post
    So I should wait instead of upgrading to an R9 390?
    Yes, and then when the 16nm chips are first out you should wait again, because better chips will come later. And then when those better chips are out, you should still wait, because yet better chips will still be coming...

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    Re: TSMC starts volume production of 16nm chips

    heh, it's true you could end up waiting forever just because there's something new around the corner

    But personally, in terms of the R9 390 (X), I wouldn't buy one now because we know for absolutely sure that AMD are going to release the R9 Nano, a lower-power version of the Fury, in the next month or two. It should perform better than a 390 whilst drawing less power. Price is still an unknown, but it's certainly possible that it'll push the prices of the 390 and 390X down, since they're the cards immediately below it in the product stack. And if that doesn't happen, it probably still worth waiting in case you can stretch your budget to one and it turns out to be a really good card.

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    Re: TSMC starts volume production of 16nm chips

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by PuremasterZ View Post
    So I should wait instead of upgrading to an R9 390?
    Yes, and then when the 16nm chips are first out you should wait again, because better chips will come later. And then when those better chips are out, you should still wait, because yet better chips will still be coming...
    I see what you did there

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    Re: TSMC starts volume production of 16nm chips

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Yes, and then when the 16nm chips are first out you should wait again, because better chips will come later. And then when those better chips are out, you should still wait, because yet better chips will still be coming...
    Indeed, generally the best advice is to upgrade when you need to . However I think this next generation is different, we have been stuck on the 28nm node for several years and you can only go so far with architecture changes with the same ingredients and limitations, the generation that move to 14/16nm will be providing a significant boost in rendering power compared to each generation jump we have since the AMD 7000 series so if the money isnt burning a hole its best to hold off for this gen only
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    Re: TSMC starts volume production of 16nm chips

    To be fair gpu's are probably the worst things around for the waiting game...
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    Re: TSMC starts volume production of 16nm chips

    Quote Originally Posted by PuremasterZ View Post
    So I should wait instead of upgrading to an R9 390?
    I really wouldn't hold your breath for 16nm GPUs.

    There are two bits of information that WCCF got and seem to have combined them for clickbait:
    1)Something on 16FF has entered mass production at TSMC.
    2)Nvidia will be using a 16nm process from TSMC for their next line of GPUs.

    The two aren't necessarily related at all, and in fact GPUs are said to be based around the later 16FF+ process which isn't mentioned in terms of entering production. It's possible some of the lower-end products could use the early 16FF capacity if yield and capacity are where the need to be, but the large flagships are still some way off.

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    Re: TSMC starts volume production of 16nm chips

    Honestly Hexus. In the first picture there is even a sign saying no pictures!

    The person is picking it up to show you as well. So inconsiderate.
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    Re: TSMC starts volume production of 16nm chips

    Quote Originally Posted by PuremasterZ View Post
    So I should wait instead of upgrading to an R9 390?
    It depends on the resolution of your screen and current graphics card etc. 4K/UHD gaming will be Pascal's selling point no doubt.

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    Re: TSMC starts volume production of 16nm chips

    The first 16nm GPUs will probably be small/medium dies, rather than large dies.

    We'll see some small, fast, mid-range GPUs, maybe even approaching the performance of 28nm high end GPUs.

    Apparently TSMC's 16nm process can give 65% faster devices, or 70% lower power devices. I don't know if that will translate to 1.65+GHz GPUs straight away, but that would be a considerable uplift.

    If you want to game in the next six months, get a Nano or 390X or 980Ti now. If you can wait, wait for the first 16nm releases and decide then.

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    Re: TSMC starts volume production of 16nm chips

    Quote Originally Posted by Jowsey View Post
    Honestly Hexus. In the first picture there is even a sign saying no pictures!

    The person is picking it up to show you as well. So inconsiderate.
    yes! someone else who noticed this! XD

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    Re: TSMC starts volume production of 16nm chips

    Quote Originally Posted by sykobee View Post
    The first 16nm GPUs will probably be small/medium dies, rather than large dies.

    We'll see some small, fast, mid-range GPUs, maybe even approaching the performance of 28nm high end GPUs.

    Apparently TSMC's 16nm process can give 65% faster devices, or 70% lower power devices. I don't know if that will translate to 1.65+GHz GPUs straight away, but that would be a considerable uplift.

    If you want to game in the next six months, get a Nano or 390X or 980Ti now. If you can wait, wait for the first 16nm releases and decide then.
    This will also drive the price down on Nano, 390X & 980Ti when these new ones hit the market.

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    Re: TSMC starts volume production of 16nm chips

    28nm/ddr5 to 16nm/hbm2 will be a big step, maybe the biggest ever

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