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    Load Value Injection (LVI) flaws of Intel CPUs described

    'Reverse Meltdown' attack could facilitate the stealing of sensitive data from Intel SGX enclaves.
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    Re: Load Value Injection (LVI) flaws of Intel CPUs described

    Oh look another one....

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    Re: Load Value Injection (LVI) flaws of Intel CPUs described

    OMG Intel stuff has flaws and is vunerable to people stealing all your datas.
    Don't nobody buy Intel stuff ever again.....!!
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    Re: Load Value Injection (LVI) flaws of Intel CPUs described

    These have been happening for decades, I've never cared for a single one of them. Stroking my i7 980.

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    Re: Load Value Injection (LVI) flaws of Intel CPUs described

    It's one thing to extract nominal data from a computer in use via memory/cache, it's another to breach the secure enclave that's meant to be so hidden from the overlying software/kernel and extract its information

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    Re: Load Value Injection (LVI) flaws of Intel CPUs described

    severity rating : ..........MEDIUM MEDIUM MEDIUM.

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    Re: Load Value Injection (LVI) flaws of Intel CPUs described

    Quote Originally Posted by LSG501 View Post
    Oh look another one....
    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/03/09/amd_sidechannel_leak_report/

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    Re: Load Value Injection (LVI) flaws of Intel CPUs described

    Quote Originally Posted by matts-uk View Post
    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/03/09/amd_sidechannel_leak_report/
    nowhere near the same thing. Plus that, minor thought it was, had already been patched before it hit the news. Patched without performance penalty if I've understood.

    Here note too though that for trusted OS in controlled environments it is a non-issue. Smugly noting that my i7-870 is the generation before this SGX feature was introduced so hopefully I'm unaffected (for once!)

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    Re: Load Value Injection (LVI) flaws of Intel CPUs described

    Quote Originally Posted by matts-uk View Post
    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/03/09/amd_sidechannel_leak_report/
    As said, nowhere near the same thing....

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    Re: Load Value Injection (LVI) flaws of Intel CPUs described

    All theoretical attacks though

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    Re: Load Value Injection (LVI) flaws of Intel CPUs described

    Quote Originally Posted by rob4001 View Post
    All theoretical attacks though
    So there's no point protecting against it until it's exploited in the wild?

    I don't ever intend on having a car crash but i still drive safely and buy car insurance.

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    Re: Load Value Injection (LVI) flaws of Intel CPUs described

    Reverse Meltdown? Will have to ask the wife about that one....

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    Re: Load Value Injection (LVI) flaws of Intel CPUs described

    Quote Originally Posted by ik9000 View Post
    nowhere near the same thing.
    To be honest I linked the Register article as a little tongue in cheek prod at the AMD fanbois potentially false sense of security and smugness.

    I don't claim to be an expert on this by any means. I gave up writing assembly code after the MC68K, when I switched to Intel (around 1990). Apart from some hand patching of 80186 and custom Mitel stuff during overseas telecomms testing I haven't had to go lower than a C compiler for the last 25 years - and I am more than happy about that.

    ...But, from what I have read, these 'new' vulnerabilities are all variations on the similar theme of a side-channel attack, whereby high resolution timing is used to exploit CPU code prediction mechanisms, defeating access privileges imposed by the CPU. So while the attacks may be different in implementation and result, they [all] exploit a previously neglected attack vector that is potentially present in most all modern CPUs.

    Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. The researchers have proven Intel chips are vulnerable because Intel chips were the target of the research. Whatever the researchers have proved, they have not proven that other manufacturers are impervious to similarly crafted attacks.

    Here note too though that for trusted OS in controlled environments it is a non-issue. Smugly noting that my i7-870 is the generation before this SGX feature was introduced so hopefully I'm unaffected (for once!)
    Is there such a thing as a trusted OS? The point about these new side-channel attacks is they highlight that process and memory separation at the OS layer are 'virtual' features that do not survive the physical transition to silicone.

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