Nvidia GeForce RTX 3060 will have crypto mining perf nerf

[HEXUS]

Meanwhile, Nvidia is going to produce a range of CMP GPUs optimised for crypto mining.

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[kalniel]

a 224W RTX 3080 can do 98MH/s, a 117W RTX 3070 can achieve 62MH/s, and at 117W the RTX 3060 Ti is capable of 60MH/s

I think those W ratings of existing cards are a bit out. Keeping to NVidia's rating for consistency, the 3080 is 320W, the 3070 is 220W and the 3060ti is 200W. Sure, you can undervolt them, but you might be able to undervolt these too.

[harrisonm65]

Dont worry - Ive 2 of those Gigabyte Vision cards and both have died. Ultimate perf nerf built right in from Gigabyte.

[Corky34]

While the nerf is appreciated it's not going to help the adoption of RTX, the performance hit from enabling RTX means it's really only something worth consider for high end cards (IMO), depending on the game I'm guessing a 3060 Ti struggles when RTX is enabled so that leaves 3070's and up and all of those will remain bad in terms of cost to performance all the while miners are willing to pay above MSRP.

[kompukare]

I think those W ratings of existing cards are a bit out. Keeping to NVidia's rating for consistency, the 3080 is 320W, the 3070 is 220W and the 3060ti is 200W. Sure, you can undervolt them, but you might be able to undervolt these too.

These would be undervolted and underclocked as they are pretty close the whattomine's value.
Undervolting is silicon lottery of course.
Gaming stable voltages/clocks might not be mining-stable voltages/clocks though.
Someone stuffing a warehouse full of these will try to save very watt though.

[LSG501]

The only people this will really hurt are the people that want to do a little cryptomining (hopefully it won't affect other things that 'look' like mining) on the side on just one gpu, the big crypto farms will either buy the more expensive cards or find a work around pretty quickly imo. It honestly feels like a PR thing and a way for Nvidia to artificially inflate the prices of 'dedicated' hardware like they do quadro (no real difference outside ecc memory)

The real issue isn't the card being used for cryptomining it's about supply and purchasing. Supply is annoying but understandable in the current climate but the fact that scripts/bots are so easily grabbing up stock on websites, instead of even the most simple 'pre-order' with one per household type of thing, is the worst thing... and that's ignoring the 'back alley deals' that must be going on in some places for large purchases.

[aniilv]

Considering bios reflashing and software edits already are a thing would this really do anything other than make miners have to do few more mouse clicks?

[lumireleon]

crypto miners are companies buying thousands of cards and can 'SIMPLY' afford to hire high end programmers to reverse engineer drivers. The only way is for AMD and Nvidia stop pretending they care for PC users and offer hardware level locking systems.

[Spreadie]

How will this affect distributed computing processes? Not everything is about crypto-mining.

[kalniel]

How will this affect distributed computing processes? Not everything is about crypto-mining.

It'd probably have to look like a mining algorithm to get hit by the limiter, but if it does, I'm sure NVidia will happily sell you a Tesla card for distributed compute

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

If Nvidia does nothing gamers moan. Then Nvidia does something,gamers moan. Would it be better if Nvidia decided to sell all its RTX3060 stocks to miners directly?? Because I am certain it would probably make them more money!

[Dribble]

crypto miners are companies buying thousands of cards and can 'SIMPLY' afford to hire high end programmers to reverse engineer drivers. The only way is for AMD and Nvidia stop pretending they care for PC users and offer hardware level locking systems.

Possibly but possibly not - I've never seen anyone manage enable full overclocking on a non K intel processor. Bet plenty have tried.

[darkghost]

If the CMP solution is sensibly priced and availabile in sufficient numbers, should make a difference - it makes sense to buy the card for mining. If it's priced too high, there won't be enough ROI compared to the resale value of a full 3060 card.
The fact that Nvidia are looking to lock the 3060 out for mining suggests that they expect supply issues again.

[Iota]

Needs to be hardware and software based. Being software based is going to be flaky at best for resolving the issue.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Needs to be hardware and software based. Being software based is going to be flaky at best for resolving the issue.

https://twitter.com/bdelrizzo/status...423747590?s=20

Hi Ryan. It's not just a driver thing. There is a secure handshake between the driver, the RTX 3060 silicon, and the BIOS (firmware) that prevents removal of the hash rate limiter.

[Corky34]

If Nvidia does nothing gamers moan. Then Nvidia does something,gamers moan. Would it be better if Nvidia decided to sell all its RTX3060 stocks to miners directly?? Because I am certain it would probably make them more money!

It's a UK forum, we even manage to moan about the weather.