Nvidia GeForce RTX 30 'Lite Hash Rate' GPUs roll out starts in May

[HEXUS]

Rumours say there will be new 'LHR' GAxx2 GPUs for all graphics cards except RTX 3090.

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[3dcandy]

unhackable?

Go on you were all thinking it...

[iworrall]

Maybe they should plaster "LHR" in large, friendly letters across the packaging, if only to ensure that gamers get the cards instead of miners!

[Dribble]

unhackable?

Go on you were all thinking it...

Probably, but being sold as a nerfed card means if/when it gets hacked they can just silently release new revisions to re-nerf it. Equally then can revise it to nerf some new coin or algorithm. It becomes an ongoing battle of hack vs security.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Honestly at this rate,if you have an old PC you might as well get a XBox Series S for around £250 and game on that as temporary measure. It literally has a Ryzen 7 3700X/4700G and a RX5500 class GPU,for less than buying even a crap GPU now.

[kalniel]

Maybe they should plaster "LHR" in large, friendly letters across the packaging, if only to ensure that gamers get the cards instead of miners!

I'd agree. The mere possibility that a card might be good for mining is going to be enough for scalpers to buy them on the off chance.

[DanceswithUnix]

So the 3090, one of the utter favourites of the mining community, doesn't get the treatment? That's pretty odd.

I hope they swung the nerf bat for more than a 40% this time. Eth has risen 50% this month so far, so making the payback period 40% longer isn't going to slow anyone down. That's assuming they don't just get bought for mining things other than Eth.

unhackable?

Go on you were all thinking it...

To be fair, the last one didn't get hacked and AFAIK still isn't usable from Linux which it would need to be for wide scale mining deployment.

[Bagpuss]

So the 3090, one of the utter favourites of the mining community, doesn't get the treatment? That's pretty odd.

It takes (at least) 6 mths to get your money back on a 3090 from mining, at its current rate, and that's only if you grab an FE card at MSRP. Scalper prices are well north of £2K, so miners tend to leave the 3090 alone.

[[GSV]Trig]

I don't want my card nerfed in any way shape or form, Nvidia should be making the best card they can, and as many as they can, rather than having to nerf cards because of miners or anyone else.

[DanceswithUnix]

It takes (at least) 6 mths to get your money back on a 3090 from mining, at its current rate, and that's only if you grab an FE card at MSRP. Scalper prices are well north of £2K, so miners tend to leave the 3090 alone.

And yet I've seen proud pictures of 3090 rigs. I think the fact you need two rigs of 3060ti cards to get the performance of a single 3090 based rig is appealing, even if the economics of it make no sense to someone who can do maths.

I have yet to see anyone worry about earning their money back. Those rose tinted specs are *really* powerful.

[DanceswithUnix]

I don't want my card nerfed in any way shape or form, Nvidia should be making the best card they can, and as many as they can, rather than having to nerf cards because of miners or anyone else.

Then you had better live in China to compete with miners local to the supply of cards.

It must take some effort to nerf the cards, so I suspect Nvidia will stop once the bubble bursts.

[[GSV]Trig]

Then you had better live in China to compete with miners local to the supply of cards.

It must take some effort to nerf the cards, so I suspect Nvidia will stop once the bubble bursts.

The card gets used for whatever the card gets used for, its wasting NVidia time and resource to nerf cards when I'm sure they have other things to do.
Yeah I get its annoying but its not NVidia's problem to fix imho..

[DanceswithUnix]

The card gets used for whatever the card gets used for, its wasting NVidia time and resource to nerf cards when I'm sure they have other things to do.
Yeah I get its annoying but its not NVidia's problem to fix imho..

If Nvidia are hacking off their traditional customer base, then that will lose them long term sales. That is their problem, no-one else will fix it for them.

My crystal ball is far from perfect, but I'm wondering which of two ways this is going to go.

1/ The bubble will burst, old mining cards will flood the shrunken market where lots of gamers have migrated to consoles, and Nvidia will have difficulty selling gpus.

2/ The bubble will burst, but last time prices settled much higher than before the bubble. If that happens again, and mining is still profitable after the bubble burst, then miners will soak up all GPUs they can from this day onwards.

Now there is a twist to this sorry (for us) tail. Crypto prices are driven completely by Bitcoin, and Bitcoin now looks to go through a 4 year cycle thanks to the halving of mining rewards. So in 3 years time, we can expect this to all kick off again. If option 2 doesn't happen this time, it might happen next time.

[Rubarb]

I can't see how it's going to work?
Thousands of tallented people will be trying to hack a way around this and Nvidia probally has 1 guy on the job.
Just simple maths will tell you it's going to be hacked and pretty quickly too.

The only way Nvidia will put a stop to this would be if they where taxed heavly for making products that use an exessive amount of energy in there life time such as mining porducts, this tax allready exsists with say non biodegradable plastics in some useages.

[DanceswithUnix]

I can't see how it's going to work?
Thousands of tallented people will be trying to hack a way around this and Nvidia probally has 1 guy on the job.
Just simple maths will tell you it's going to be hacked and pretty quickly too.

It is indeed maths, though perhaps not so simple.
The card has a built in processor that runs control code uploaded from the driver. The card will only run a blob signed by Nvidia using a private key that only Nvidia know.
If they get this right, and don't do something as stupid as accidentally release a test driver into the wild that disables the features like they did last time, then that chain of trust is pretty solid.
People have broken signing systems in the past thanks to things like incorrect use of padding, but Nvidia have enough cash to get a code and development practices audit done on their platform and their blob. I've been through those audits, they are really thorough.

[philehidiot]

Does anyone know if this will stop people cracking password hashes on these cards? This is something I occasionally do and would seriously influence my decision to purchase (far more than Ray Tracing).

That being said, running hashcat on a multi GPU AWS instance is also an option.