Nvidia showcases real-time graphics advances at SIGGRAPH

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Highlights video shows work done on real-time path tracing and neural radiance caching.

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[Corky34]

You can discus graphics advancements all you like Nvidia, but if no one can buy your cards without having to sell a kidney because there's limited supply you may as well be peeing into the wind.

[kalniel]

You can discus graphics advancements all you like Nvidia, but if no one can buy your cards without having to sell a kidney because there's limited supply you may as well be peeing into the wind.

Nah I don't agree - it's interesting to hear about future stuff even if it doesn't apply to current (hard to buy) cards.

[QuorTek]

They are talking about that his is a new invention, it really is not...

[Corky34]

Nah I don't agree - it's interesting to hear about future stuff even if it doesn't apply to current (hard to buy) cards.

I don't doubt that it's something worthy of knowing about or learning, I'm all for educating oneself, however that interesting thing is rather pointless if it's only relevant to a minority of people.

For example it's interesting that spaceships are the new yachts for the super rich, interesting but not very relevant to us normal folks.

[kalniel]

I don't doubt that it's something worthy of knowing about or learning, I'm all for educating oneself, however that interesting thing is rather pointless if it's only relevant to a minority of people.

For example it's interesting that spaceships are the new yachts for the super rich, interesting but not very relevant to us normal folks.

Well thank goodness we don't have some authoritarian state telling us we can only read about what's relevant But at the same time, we don't have one forcing us to read something we self-determine isn't relevant So in the politest possible sense, there are other articles you can read, let me continue to read about stuff I find interesting and potentially relevant down the line

[Corky34]

Not sure how you've gone from not agreeing that discussing graphics advancements when you can't even supply enough of your product to get close to MSRP being pointless, from that to some authoritarian state telling us we can only read about what's relevant or being forced to read something in just two posts. If i knew you was going to be so passive aggressive about the whole thing i wouldn't have said anything.

[kalniel]

No passive aggressiveness intended, sorry if you read it that way. Let me try again: it's not a zero sum game - we can disagree about the point of articles just fine - if one thinks an article is pointless all one has to do is not read it, there's no need to take away from someone else who might like to read it.

[kompukare]

Not sure how you've gone from not agreeing that discussing graphics advancements when you can't even supply enough of your product to get close to MSRP being pointless, from that to some authoritarian state telling us we can only read about what's relevant or being forced to read something in just two posts. If i knew you was going to be so passive aggressive about the whole thing i wouldn't have said anything.

That assumes they have any interest to sell at MSRP (which they did set).

The actual Ampere cards which have been sold is actually meant to be quite crazy. Forgot where I came across it, but while PS5 might be around 10 million now, someone said that Nvidia have shipped more cards than that in the same time frame. Yes, that would include everything from MX450 to GA100 but still.

[Glyce]

The cards are no longer hard to buy, they are just still slightly overpriced.
Give it a couple of months, the price will crash and you'll have sales all over the place.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Not sure how you've gone from not agreeing that discussing graphics advancements when you can't even supply enough of your product to get close to MSRP being pointless, from that to some authoritarian state telling us we can only read about what's relevant or being forced to read something in just two posts. If i knew you was going to be so passive aggressive about the whole thing i wouldn't have said anything.

TBF,at least unlike AMD,Nvidia has shipped a percentage of their GPUs to the UK at RRP. AMD is more like a big fat zero.

[Corky34]

No passive aggressiveness intended, sorry if you read it that way. Let me try again: it's not a zero sum game - we can disagree about the point of articles just fine - if one thinks an article is pointless all one has to do is not read it, there's no need to take away from someone else who might like to read it.

I didn't say the article is pointless, i said Nvidia wanting to discus graphics advancements when they can't supply enough of their product to get close to MSRP is pointless.

Maybe Tensor cores and AI would be put to better use in trying to workout how to get their product into gamers hands for MSRP, we're ten months on from the launch of the 30 series' and we're still looking at prices being £300-400 over MSRP.

[lumireleon]

After working on 3D graphics for years and the horrors associated with waiting to render for hours just to take a look if the scene is a accurate. The software is ready but hardware is very expensive. The next benchmark of innovation is associated with lower cost. This is one thing the customer should understand that graphics is not simple so when they get a quote of several thousand dollars its not my undoing.

[Axle_Grease]

No passive aggressiveness intended, sorry if you read it that way. Let me try again: it's not a zero sum game - we can disagree about the point of articles just fine - if one thinks an article is pointless all one has to do is not read it, there's no need to take away from someone else who might like to read it.

I didn't say the article is pointless, i said Nvidia wanting to discus graphics advancements when they can't supply enough of their product to get close to MSRP is pointless.

Maybe Tensor cores and AI would be put to better use in trying to workout how to get their product into gamers hands for MSRP, we're ten months on from the launch of the 30 series' and we're still looking at prices being £300-400 over MSRP.

Just what is wrong with you? This is SIGGRAPH not CES. The intended audience is the specialist in graphics design and rendering, not the factory worker who plays games in his spare time. I have been interested in improvements in graphical realism from before I bought my first PC (a ZX Spectrum) and I like reading about this stuff regardless of what graphics technology is available to me.

[Corky34]

Just what is wrong with you? This is SIGGRAPH not CES. The intended audience is the specialist in graphics design and rendering, not the factory worker who plays games in his spare time. I have been interested in improvements in graphical realism from before I bought my first PC (a ZX Spectrum) and I like reading about this stuff regardless of what graphics technology is available to me.

IDK, what's wrong with you? What's a factory worker who plays games in his spare time got to do with anything, i assume you're implying that's me?

Just because their intended audience is "graphics design and rendering" it doesn't mean those graphics designers and renders aren't more concerned about not being able to buy a product that was released 10 months ago for anything close to MSRP. You can have all the fancy new graphics design and rendering techniques in the world that you want to discus but if people can't buy what your selling for anything close to what you told them they'd be able to buy them for it's pointless, it's nothing but vapourware, and i find it remarkable that people are defending a company who's seen quarterly revenue grow by more than %60 when they're being charged 2.5x more to buy their product.

It's simple, IMO Nvidia need to put more effort into getting their product into the hands of games, and graphics designers and renders, instead of graphics technology advancements because those graphics technology advancements are meaningless if only miners and people with money to burn get to use them.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

TBF,I can see where Corky is coming from. As much as its all nice and good companies showing off XYZ stuff,including RT,etc most of the market is older GPUs. This is not only because of the shortages,but also because BOTH AMD and Nvidia have gone all premium and want to sell only £300+ GPUs.

The issue is for new technologies to start become incorporated you need to have enough of the existing customer base,to have GPUs capable of running them. If most of the customer base is stuck on older technology,its even going to bias development towards catering to this larger install base.

Ironically consoles might drive forward some of these technologies more than PCs!

Edit!!

An example is tessellation. ATI had it back in the 8000 series days(TruForm). Took nearly a decade to become common,because it needed not only the hardware to become more powerful and commonplace,but the software stack to also support it properly.