My friend has one and I thought it was awesome phone!! I'll be going for the Touch Pro 2, it has a similar screen res and multimedia playout for my holiday TV stuff. I'm coming from an N95 so it will be my first windows phone. Aren't ther some choice alternative firmware too?
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Bullcrap. And my touch diamond 2 is smaller than the iPhone to boot - and yet they've managed to squeeze in a 5mp camera (despite your belief it's not possible) on the back and a front facing camera on the front too. I've a lot of time for the iPhone but it's far less capable for my needs and the TD2 is probably one of the best phones i've ever used. As pointed out - they're a doddle to develop for and there's stacks of ways to customize it to your needs (from new ROMS to entire new GUIs - TouchFlo, SPB Mobile Shell 3 to mention a couple). Personally i'm using WM6.5 (rock solid), SPB MS 3 as the main GUI and i've enabled haptic feedback too (which surprised me by it's usefulness). I use iGO 8 for navigation (which is the best nav package i've used by far) - what's my iPhone replacement for that?Originally Posted by keef247
I'm all for personal choice, but really the only weakness of WM is the default GUI (which is replaced by most OEMs now anyway) - the core OS is stable and very capable (multitasking is darn useful). The iPhone's OS is only just beginning to get basic features (cut and paste) that I take for granted which is to be expected given it's youth. Apple have done a good job of pushing the UI on phones forward but i'd struggle to slate WM phones when they're simply better featured and more capable for a multitude of tasks at the present time. YMMV - and that's fine - but it's neither silly or stupid to choose and alternative to the iPhone if it fits your needs far (far) better.
Last edited by dangel; 08-07-2009 at 09:56 AM.
Crosshair VIII Hero (WIFI), 3900x, 32GB DDR4, Many SSDs, EVGA FTW3 3090, Ethoo 719
A MicroSD slot takes care of that - if you need it. Personally, I stuck a 4gb card in and i've yet to fill that (but then I don't use it as a music player aside from streaming internet radio with wunderadio).
lol - let's look at sizes:
TD2 - 107.9 x 53.1 x 13.7 mm
iPhone - 115.5 x 62.1 x 12.3 mm
So yeah, well "chunky"Interesting how the thicker, longer and wider iPhone ends up feeling 'slim' - good design I guess!
There's a zoom bar directly below the screen (you swipe your finger over it to zoom in and out) which accounts for some of it - and the 1cm 'lip' at the bottom stops you hitting the hard keys by mistake when holding itThe one thing you won't do is complain about the screen - it's pin-sharp WVGA
It's not long out so there's no talk of a replacement on the horizon as yet. I'd really advise playing with one though - phones are awfully subjective.
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Step away from the fanboyismas for apps i LOVE symbian its awesome. but yeah apps for iphone vs windows mobile... you can't deny that mate.
as for texting etc i have huge hands and i can fly through typing on the iphone i never ever thought i'd want a touchscreen phone.i was going to just stick with the idea of getting the n97 but the 3g s blows it out of the water.
another thing is the size. NOTHING comes close to the iphone. which is worth its weight in gold because who want's a brick in the times we're living in. apple have proved it's possible so why are people still encasing products in huge cheap plastic shellsit's just cheap.
like laptop's i got the 13.3 macbook when it came out and before that i'd never thought about apple ever. hated them. but the macbook all beautifully built and strong in a non-strut based structure all laser cut lightweight ally etc its awesome... yet windows based lappy's what are they using...PLASTIC STILL... and then what happened dell suddenly though oh we'll make a ally laptop now. same concept with windows mobile phones and the iphone.
i will whillingly admit it's still behind but then again it isn't now with mms (FINALLY! even though it's more of a novelty to me as you can email etc) and a better camera... people bitch about the camera but try fitting a 5mp in something that thin... not going to happen... possibly with the sony aino but we don't know how good that is yet...
as for the touch screen browsing its very nice on the iphone more than adequate and the zooming is nice i'm sorry but who uses stylus's anymore? their bloody annoying. its sposed to be a phone not a tablet device. the whole idea is you can seemlessly use your fingers like your pressing buttons.with landscape as i've mentioned i can actually vouch for this now as before it was a painful experience...
1. Apps, I have some pretty good apps. I didn't have to wait 3 years for a tethering option for my phone.... it was preinstalled. Not only that it works over usb OR bluetooth
2. Texting, Maybe, but I have a full slide out QWERTY keyboard with auto error correction, I reckon that is quicker (as a lot more phones come with them now)
3. Size, http://www.product-reviews.net/2008/...son-xperia-x1/
The iphone is only a little thinner, and that can be put down to the slide out keyboard, otherwise my phone is smaller
4. Build quality, mine has a brushed steel/aluminium body. And compare the price of a similar spec mac + a similar spec non-Apple laptop, they are half the price for a plastic case, if you want style buy a Vaio
5. Camera, SE K850i had a 5mp camera C910i has a 10mp camera, Samsung memoir/pixon have 8mp cameras. My x1 has a 3.2mp camera
6. Stylus, The WM devices come with a stylus as they are for professional work. You obviously haven't used any of the skinning such as SPB home or seen 6.5 as both are designed to be finger friendly now. I only use my stylus for playing solitare or ball breaker on my WVGA (800x480, as opposed to your 480x320) screen, or sometimes I will use the stylus to play Warcraft 2, but I don't need it for Call of Duty 2 on my phone (the pc game runs on the X1/Touch pro 2/Touch HD etc, haven't seen anything that good on the iPhone.....)
Couple of points..... what if you don't like the stock keyboard for the touch screen? WM can just download a new one and freely choose between them
Cost... My X1 cost me £50 on a £27 a month (the £45 with 40% discount) contract as an existing customer, the 16gb 3gs iPhone would have cost me £90 on a £45 contract with no reduction in line rental. All I had to do was buy a £20 16gb microSD card and I have more (as the phone has around 512mb built in) memory than the iPhone, and I can expand it.
If you think the WM interface is bad look at Touchflo, that is what nearly all HTC devices come with now.
Wow someone got their knickers in a twist, who pissed in your cornflakes?
Why would I spend £1k on a dell when I could get much more powerful systems elsewhere? XPS/alienware are overpriced for what they are.
for a 15" macbook pro I'd get
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/154-M...a-Home-Premium
I'd take a quad core over faster memory any day, but for something that powerful I would just get a desktop
And how many people buy an all in one solution? Very few.
Really? Good to know my phone is buggy since I upgraded the firmware (don't go about how iPhones don't have to...they are on their 3rd+ revision already) it has been absolutely fine. Which review sites were those then? I doubt you can actually provide any real proof that a phone is buggy.
Wait a second...isn't the iPhone the phone with the inherent design flaw that when they lock up they can't be reset as you can't remove the battery? And what about the 1 day battery? I have a fully qualified 3d graphics processor in my phone and I still get 4 or 5 days out between charges.
like on the iPhone? I find my phone has plenty of power for it and is very responsive
Well me for one, a lot of other people who use their phones for business and apparently iPhone users, although they have to pay additional data rates to use it on their iPhone and wait a couple of years for it.
So you carry your psp AND DS Lite wherever you go? PSP games suck tbh and I own one (and a DS Lite, both modded)
Well then you really miss the point of owning a powerful touchscreen device is the levels of customisation you can apply, I can have 9 different home 'panels' depending on what I want, dedicated media playing facilities, news feeds with video streaming, skype over 3g/wifi and more including full gps based sat nav.
You are still getting ripped off on the price you are paying for it, payg or contract.
No I read most of the 2nd page actually also, but it was the one most suitable to point flaws in your arguement and that you have consistently resorted to changing the topic of discussion to detract from the fact that you haven't used a modern Windows Mobile device so don't have the knowledge of using one in order to form a balanced opinion and can only go by 3rd party opinions of a product which may be dated.
You make a lot of comments but don't really have anything to back it up
I know i shouldn't reply, i know its obvious to the OP that you've not got an concept of what the phone offers.... but i have too, its a personal failing, it should be obvious that i'm write and i should be able to leave it at that, but frick, i can't.
here we go!
1. link for review, i still think you be bull****ting.
2. touchflo in its original version i thought was crap, please note once again that it came out BEFORE THE IPHONE. YES BEFORE IT.
3. WM don't make phones. WM haven't tried to copy the iPhone interface at all, in fact that is kind of hte problem, its not changed in 10 years!
4. If you had read my posts above you would understand how its original.
because searching that many texts from my phone, joinging them into a threaded conversation, then been able to scroll them with virtualised rendering (ie no latency) is impressive. If you had ever programmed you would understand why. Not to mention this is a good usability bench mark.why should texts be a problem i have 18 texts under 2000limit on my n82 nokia and their saved on the memory card which should be more stress to load from and they open fine each time so why should that be such a benchmark...
Again, you haven't read what i said. If you did you would have understood that the stylus dosen't come out often, only when i'm using pocket word/excel, or doing something fiddly, 90% of the time its finger. This is the question, why is having a second touch, preferable to having the accuracy of a stylus? At the moment the kind of multitouch been used its mutually exclusive choice. I choose a stylus.i also have big hands as i've already said so the remark about the stylus is purely that you shouldn't need one.not that you DO but just in general like you were saying about if you want to sit and copy and paste etc... no i just used the tip of my nail and slid my finger along on the 3g s...
Err, no it wont, just like the people who go on about Jesus with such dire verbosity, are those who only found him recently.i was VERY sceptical about the iphone since the first one and the 3g did nothing for me. so everyone that keeps shouting fanboy your badly missinformed...
my macbook is the first apple product bar a crappy old 1st gen shuffle ipod i've had... so no i'm really not.
wtf, we are talking phones. If you really felt that way, you would look android, iPhone BSD might well be a Barstadised Software Distrabution, but it is to Mac OSX (which i can rip on why its awful if you want in another thread, I have been through a 'security researching' phase in my life) what gorden brown is to prudence.on a proper os side i've always preferred bsd and linux and os x seems to bridge the gap between linux stability and windows app/game compatibility and thats it...
Remeber, your phone runs its web browser as root, my phone runs it in a sandbox. Don't talk such bollocks.i just love not getting virus's and not having loads of wasted resources devoted to protecting my system before i've even begun productivity... plus things like photoshop etc are claimed to run 20% or so faster in os x which i have definitely seen an improvement in...
[quote[and then there's the build quality like i've mentioned before.
it is proper rigid and smooth yet solid and bulletproof chassis with a stunning finish and feel to it... not tacky plastic that heats up and eventually bends and looses it's shape etc... (like with the previous macbook's and a lot of windows lappys) and ofcourse the proper sized touchpad...[/quote]And heat issues, and radio interference issues. You have obviosuly never held a touch HD, there is no chance it is going to bend. This is even more obvious of how much crap your spouting becuse if you had held a touch HD you would be ripping on the build quality of hte power button and volume buttons been questionable.
wtf? TOUCH HD. Stay on topic (not to mention there is no souch thing as a windows touchpad)i hate laptops usually but ever since getting this i've plugged a mouse in twice... and that was for games lol...
i hate being limited to such a small space with a windows touchpad yet with this its huge and yet never gets in the way when typing and again all the smooth gestures and lack of buttons make it even more spacious and a pleasure to use...
So, in a nutshell, convince me how having a 1/6th of the battery life of the touch HD is good.....irrelivent mumblings......
as for the comment about the apple site i have already stated that stuff magazine has proven their claims... i purely ripped that info off their site as it was easiest to find...
i have as again i've already said used it in real life and proved the bold claims...
it IS twice as fast as a 3g at anything and the battery IS better for wifi and music/videos etc... so it again IS an improvement...
as for the os limitations like mms only just arriving i more than aggree with you... i was very annoyed when the first and then 2nd gen one came out still lacking 10year old functions!
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something we agree on, the series 5 keyboard was ace. But keyboards are to the user and their useages. I wouldn't deny someone for having one. Its about the choice, the option, the freedom.as regards to keyboards i will be getting the n97 and selling it for the iphone to be jailbroken so i'm not really a fan of them i can't see the point when even with my monsterous hands i can happily bang away a huge email/text on the iphone and if i cock up it fixes it...
no need for slow stylus tapping or a pull out bulky built keyboard phone with stupid tiny buttons and a silly layout... can't see the point in that personally.
i used to love pysions or however their spelt lol cause their keyboards were a decent size and yet compact.
You haven't been out partying with some of my friendsas for battery cmon that is a really stupid statement to make saying you want to go on holiday without a charger.
1) that's just ridiculously lazy because it's a usb or tiny plug
2) you always take things like that for example your notebook? psp/ds etc etc you might have for journey/visit once their for important emails/business whilst away or whatever chances are you would have a laptop with you i know your going to say no i'd have my touchHD but still like you said before sometimes you want to type it out properly on a machine...
I often don't take a notebook other than my Q1 ultra which i have 8 hours of battery life for. If i need longer than 8 hours, i'm going to need a proper PC probably too, but again if its the weekend, i've been known to rock up with just the shirt on my back.... when leaving my last place they did wounder why i had wrappers of brand new underwear in my filing cabinate!
Mods are going to tell me off/edit this if i post what i really want to.my claim about the iphones battery being good was in comparison to the previous models being utter rubbish and running out before you'd done anything... like i say i am not biased i hated the previous phones but i think with this one this time round it might actually be worth the money...
i don't mind charging it every night aslong as i get what i want to be done in the day completed.
don't get me wrong it's lovely having a insane amount of battery life i.e. the n97 but i don't want a brick in my pocket again why i like the iphone...
i know the HD isn't exactly tiny but it isn't as slim as the iphone either...
But you sir are both a muppet, and a liar. The HD is 0.3mm THINNER. FFS YOU STUPID rubbishrubbishrubbishrubbish!
(guys that is the edited version, i did my best)
HTC called it this because its the higher definition version of the touch. Simple name. They didn't put 720p or anything. The iPhone might well bring out their HD version soon...... with the 1ghz it would need, and 12 hour battery life.on a final note why oh why is it called the HD that clearly isn't an HD res nor could it play HD video at a native res either nor scaled i'd doubt. maybe some h264 like the iphone but it isn't the same.
this fad of naming everything HD is very annoying aswel. seems alot of manufacturers are currently naming random things HD...think they've missed the point. either that or the market for dumbasses hearing a fancy word and buying it has gone up.
hope this clears up alot.
i'm really not bitching not trying to start a fanboy flamewar i just think microsoft always rush things and then stuff you on the tech support. you've got to admire apples support for updates atleast they try and fix their flaws like linux does with it's constant improvements.
[QUOTE=keef247;1730179]I am actually having a gander at the HD now... didn't realize it was a 5mp camera... could be tempting considering the form factor with a 5mp...
it takes micro SD.... That is the 512 of on board memory, its useful for adistinction between applications and data. They ship it with an 8 or 16gig card.urgh just seen the 512mb memory:/ that sucks.what's the highest support for memory in it?
i don't like the slow sliding through every menu that'd annoy me immensely... is there anything better coming out in the next month from them as i'm planning to upgrade on the 2nd of august...
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touch HD does 30 fps........................................
The quality is still utter **** compared to a proper small camera thou.
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I've owned a few WM phones in the past, most recently an XDA Orbit 2 running 6.1. I've time & time again been disappointed with the look & feel of WM & I've been reading up on newer smartphones (can't remember which) & HTC have reskinned a lot to be finger friendly but the old-ugly WM interface still pops up here & there.
I'm personally getting an iphone, I know the camera sucks, I know the battery is crap but my prior experience with WM, the lack of decent apps (I found in general they were mostly useless to me, not even mentioning the games!) & the greatness that is the App store has made me want Apple.
I can't try out the HD/etc so can't see how great their new effort is on the UI front & maybe if I did I'd change my mind. Problem is mobile stores won't open up most phones for you to play with but have iPhones sitting around to mess with & they look, feel & work 'nicely'
No doubt I'll get bored of the iPhone & change it in 6months but at least I'll have had a new gadget to play with
When I went into o2 they were happy to get out the xperia and touch pro for me to play with, might have just been me though, I agree having a number out to 'try' is a great idea for free advertising
I have picked this one quote, because it sums this up.
It is thinner, now since the dawn of modern man we have learn how to quantify, or 'measure' if you will.
Now ever since a bunch of garlic eaters decided to overthrough their leaders, we have had le Metric System.
This is great because not only does it allow us to write down these strange symbols, it also lets us compare things with these 'numbers'.
So the number that is lower, it turns out is thinner. Amazing.
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