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    Re: Touch HD - no Longer?

    Quote Originally Posted by keef247 View Post
    haha yeah i used it and saw the demo's before it came out where the guy was stood there going yeah you just tap this and do this and he had to do it 5 times before shi**y windows mobile responded. it's the whole touch gestured interface they've copied with their own slant on things.it's just sad.
    Ok, first off that wouldn't have been the offical video, why would they realese that? Was it a pre-release firmware by chance?

    I've not had to do ANYTHING twice on my touch HD, my glofiish beforehand was a nightmare thou (but had features at the time the iPhone was seriously missing).

    The responsiveness of the HD is excellent, when no apps are running, its better than the 3g iPhone, a simple operation like looking at text messages to one of my good friends (ie 300+ texts since feb) is quicker on the HD.

    Now again, how could they have copied the touch interface, THEY DID IT BEFORE.

    The ONLY bit that is copied by HTC is hte blatent ripoff of slide to awnser thing, but by adding the both ways for ignore or awnser it is BETTER. If your going to copy something, you have to refine it. They have done this.

    Quote Originally Posted by keef247 View Post
    if their sposed to be so business orientated then why put so much flare into it gui wise... balmer was ripping the piss out of the iphone and saying its a toy and how windows mobile is for professionals and how the iphone doesn't have a keyboard... hmm and this does does it no it doesn't along with alot of other windows mobile phones.and if their sposed to be so corporate why have they put these gui eyecandys in? hmm to compete that's why. not focusing on pure productivity like they should be...
    This is the thing, the HD isn't designed to be the ultimate emailer, its missing the keyboard. HTC have different products, rather than been a jack of all trades.

    For me, i'm either always near a proper machine if i want to write war and peace, or if its just a couple of lines, the on screen keyboard is fine.

    If this changes (it looks like it might), i will go for a keyboarded phone, full qwerty slide out.

    Remeber that balmer when he made those comments was spot on, they didn't have any offerings for the business.
    Quote Originally Posted by keef247 View Post
    and complex gestures lol i have huge thumbs and fingers and my hands are massive aswel and if i can do it with ease you can. for example what i'm typing this on my new macbook has all the pinch and sqeeze tech on a completely different material and system and you pick it up in seconds and it's a joy to use.how is it so complicated to do real life movements like pinching and extending your finger and thumb it's not is it.hence why they did it.after all it's meant to be about slick usability...
    This is the thing, i'm not deny they aren't good. Far from it. Its just i also like a stylus. Take today i was in a coffee shop remebered that i needed to email a friend some details, straight to the website, copied the text from that to the email, isn't it much easier to select text with a stylus? I sure as hell find it quicker, but i do have large hands.

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    oh and battery when browsing what are you talking about have you not used/red up on the S? its got Up to 5 hours on 3G Up to 9 hours on Wi-Fi which has been vouched for by a lot of trusted sites and magazines... the same with the upto 30 hours audio playback... lots of people have had around 24hours... more than good enough for me.sure it's not 3.2days solid like the n97 is sposed to be but then the battery on that thing is nearly as big as the S itself LOL. good phone though
    Again, you are completely ignoring me, the HD has a bigger battery.
    You are going on about 24 hours been good. Are you high? That is ABSOLETELY USELESS, where are in gorden brown definitions of useless.
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    battery life is immensely impressive, lasting 119hrs 50mins – the best performance by far this month.
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    so 5 times hte battery life..... You honestly think the iPhone is better in battery life? wow.

    You know what i find strange too? 5 days to me isn't good. I want at least 2 weeks. I want to be able to go on holiday for a long weekend break, and not bring my charger.
    as for rendering taken straight off their site...
    This thread is about the touch HD, not the Pre. I could compare the touch HD to a nokia and say omgz the rendering speed is teh awsomez.

    The rendering speed on the HD is actually often slower than the iPhone, it has much higher resolution, so it stands to reason that its slower.

    the storm jesus that phones SUCKS haha so that's one thing we aggree on.
    Yes, anyone who has that phone, and thinks its any good I honestly don't think has used a proper smart phone from the last 7 years.

    So lets go on to some more features where the HD whipps the arse of the iPhone. Communications.
    The new HTC phones bring you this centralised people view of comm, you have all the emails, all the texts, all the appointments, all the facebook crapola, all the phone calls, all the 'notes' brought together into one place. It is really well made and well done.

    Conferencing again is something that the last few days I'm finding really useful, the way the HTC works with this is just again miles ahead of hte iPhone.

    The place the iPhone wins over is in games. Its hands down ahead of the WM generations.

    But i hope you can see the iPhone is actually lagging far behind the innovation of people like HTC. Yes some bits have been copied, thou i think its only fair to say its the phone awnser screen, but we are not talking carbon copy hear, we are talking with their own spin and improvements.

    The HD is better in terms of specification AND productivity. Its funny you are telling people to get a 3GS with out even having owned an HD or used one. (i admit, i've not used the 3gs, but I've used the 3g).
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    Re: Touch HD - no Longer?

    Hey Animus, you running winmo 6.5 yet, have installed it on my kaiser and its quiet impressive. First install was slow, but followed the instructions the 2nd time (flashed stock rom, flashed 6.5 ROM, HARD RESET) and it flys. havent had any problems running older software either, nice having the choice of front end.

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    Re: Touch HD - no Longer?

    keef247, you can reply without being offensive or getting heated. What phones have you actually used? Being an iPhone fan boy gets you nowhere....

    And as for quoting sales bumf off the O2/Apple website about the Iphone, you cannot be serious right? That like me saying..

    "Have you seen this new Vauxhall Corsa? They are saying its twice as good as the last vauxhall corsa, read the sales brochure!!!"

    .... I think not..

    Personally for me as much as I like the look of the iPhone, and think the appstore is wonderful, it isn't the phone for me as there are a few fundamental flaws with it.... However, I am not going to help turn this thread into any more of a heated arguement I hope!

    The TouchHD was a great phone but there must be various reasons why it is being discontinued? Perhaps there wasn't as bigger uptake on the network as they had hoped and decided it wasn't worth continuing, maybe they hope the HTC Hero will be a good alternative for people, and although of course it isn't winmo etc. etc. it certainly looks like an excellent handset and might suit Orange's customer type much better.

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    Re: Touch HD - no Longer?

    I'm still on Late April/Early May Dutty.

    Its been so good, i don't want to rock the boat! Battery life has been very good, i got 6 days a couple of weeks ago. Might give it a go next time i'm bored!
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    My friend has one and I thought it was awesome phone!! I'll be going for the Touch Pro 2, it has a similar screen res and multimedia playout for my holiday TV stuff. I'm coming from an N95 so it will be my first windows phone. Aren't ther some choice alternative firmware too?
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    Re: Touch HD - no Longer?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus View Post
    Ok, first off that wouldn't have been the offical video, why would they realese that? Was it a pre-release firmware by chance?

    I've not had to do ANYTHING twice on my touch HD, my glofiish beforehand was a nightmare thou (but had features at the time the iPhone was seriously missing).

    The responsiveness of the HD is excellent, when no apps are running, its better than the 3g iPhone, a simple operation like looking at text messages to one of my good friends (ie 300+ texts since feb) is quicker on the HD.

    Now again, how could they have copied the touch interface, THEY DID IT BEFORE.

    The ONLY bit that is copied by HTC is hte blatent ripoff of slide to awnser thing, but by adding the both ways for ignore or awnser it is BETTER. If your going to copy something, you have to refine it. They have done this.

    This is the thing, the HD isn't designed to be the ultimate emailer, its missing the keyboard. HTC have different products, rather than been a jack of all trades.

    For me, i'm either always near a proper machine if i want to write war and peace, or if its just a couple of lines, the on screen keyboard is fine.

    If this changes (it looks like it might), i will go for a keyboarded phone, full qwerty slide out.

    Remeber that balmer when he made those comments was spot on, they didn't have any offerings for the business.
    This is the thing, i'm not deny they aren't good. Far from it. Its just i also like a stylus. Take today i was in a coffee shop remebered that i needed to email a friend some details, straight to the website, copied the text from that to the email, isn't it much easier to select text with a stylus? I sure as hell find it quicker, but i do have large hands.

    Again, you are completely ignoring me, the HD has a bigger battery.
    You are going on about 24 hours been good. Are you high? That is ABSOLETELY USELESS, where are in gorden brown definitions of useless.
    (link: http://www.pcauthority.com.au/Review...tery-life.aspx)
    so 5 times hte battery life..... You honestly think the iPhone is better in battery life? wow.

    You know what i find strange too? 5 days to me isn't good. I want at least 2 weeks. I want to be able to go on holiday for a long weekend break, and not bring my charger.
    This thread is about the touch HD, not the Pre. I could compare the touch HD to a nokia and say omgz the rendering speed is teh awsomez.

    The rendering speed on the HD is actually often slower than the iPhone, it has much higher resolution, so it stands to reason that its slower.

    Yes, anyone who has that phone, and thinks its any good I honestly don't think has used a proper smart phone from the last 7 years.

    So lets go on to some more features where the HD whipps the arse of the iPhone. Communications.
    The new HTC phones bring you this centralised people view of comm, you have all the emails, all the texts, all the appointments, all the facebook crapola, all the phone calls, all the 'notes' brought together into one place. It is really well made and well done.

    Conferencing again is something that the last few days I'm finding really useful, the way the HTC works with this is just again miles ahead of hte iPhone.

    The place the iPhone wins over is in games. Its hands down ahead of the WM generations.

    But i hope you can see the iPhone is actually lagging far behind the innovation of people like HTC. Yes some bits have been copied, thou i think its only fair to say its the phone awnser screen, but we are not talking carbon copy hear, we are talking with their own spin and improvements.

    The HD is better in terms of specification AND productivity. Its funny you are telling people to get a 3GS with out even having owned an HD or used one. (i admit, i've not used the 3gs, but I've used the 3g).
    nope it was a review i saw from the usa fanboys going to get it for some online video mag... it was the touchflo thing that was being crap and not responding. all the front ends seem to be a bit laggy and unresponsive. and that's what i had used.maybe you've had a firmware/o/s update that's fixed it i don't know but wm are famous for making dodgy front ended phones that are trying to do the whole iphone style flare gui wise... that's what i'm talking about being a ripoff of. yeah fair enough make something better etc but do something original whilst your at it surely. not little animated transitions with the same style as another product.

    why should texts be a problem i have 18 texts under 2000limit on my n82 nokia and their saved on the memory card which should be more stress to load from and they open fine each time so why should that be such a benchmark...

    i also have big hands as i've already said so the remark about the stylus is purely that you shouldn't need one.not that you DO but just in general like you were saying about if you want to sit and copy and paste etc... no i just used the tip of my nail and slid my finger along on the 3g s...

    i was VERY sceptical about the iphone since the first one and the 3g did nothing for me. so everyone that keeps shouting fanboy your badly missinformed...
    my macbook is the first apple product bar a crappy old 1st gen shuffle ipod i've had... so no i'm really not.

    on a proper os side i've always preferred bsd and linux and os x seems to bridge the gap between linux stability and windows app/game compatibility and thats it...

    i just love not getting virus's and not having loads of wasted resources devoted to protecting my system before i've even begun productivity... plus things like photoshop etc are claimed to run 20% or so faster in os x which i have definitely seen an improvement in...

    and then there's the build quality like i've mentioned before.
    it is proper rigid and smooth yet solid and bulletproof chassis with a stunning finish and feel to it... not tacky plastic that heats up and eventually bends and looses it's shape etc... (like with the previous macbook's and a lot of windows lappys) and ofcourse the proper sized touchpad...

    i hate laptops usually but ever since getting this i've plugged a mouse in twice... and that was for games lol...
    i hate being limited to such a small space with a windows touchpad yet with this its huge and yet never gets in the way when typing and again all the smooth gestures and lack of buttons make it even more spacious and a pleasure to use...

    and that's the honest truth... i couldn't care less about it being a mac i would have bought it purely for built quality and the screen/touchpad/keyboard... if i just wanted the os i'd build a hackintosh...

    so understand i'm not a fanboy. i'm just not easily pleased and demand the best when spending money... after all neither the iphone or htc's are cheap are they!

    as for the comment about the apple site i have already stated that stuff magazine has proven their claims... i purely ripped that info off their site as it was easiest to find...

    i have as again i've already said used it in real life and proved the bold claims...
    it IS twice as fast as a 3g at anything and the battery IS better for wifi and music/videos etc... so it again IS an improvement...
    as for the os limitations like mms only just arriving i more than aggree with you... i was very annoyed when the first and then 2nd gen one came out still lacking 10year old functions!

    as regards to keyboards i will be getting the n97 and selling it for the iphone to be jailbroken so i'm not really a fan of them i can't see the point when even with my monsterous hands i can happily bang away a huge email/text on the iphone and if i cock up it fixes it...
    no need for slow stylus tapping or a pull out bulky built keyboard phone with stupid tiny buttons and a silly layout... can't see the point in that personally.
    i used to love pysions or however their spelt lol cause their keyboards were a decent size and yet compact.

    i have yet to see a decent size keyboard to space ratio on any phone... they all seem to have so much wasted space...

    as for battery cmon that is a really stupid statement to make saying you want to go on holiday without a charger.
    1) that's just ridiculously lazy because it's a usb or tiny plug
    2) you always take things like that for example your notebook? psp/ds etc etc you might have for journey/visit once their for important emails/business whilst away or whatever chances are you would have a laptop with you i know your going to say no i'd have my touchHD but still like you said before sometimes you want to type it out properly on a machine...

    my claim about the iphones battery being good was in comparison to the previous models being utter rubbish and running out before you'd done anything... like i say i am not biased i hated the previous phones but i think with this one this time round it might actually be worth the money...

    i don't mind charging it every night aslong as i get what i want to be done in the day completed.

    don't get me wrong it's lovely having a insane amount of battery life i.e. the n97 but i don't want a brick in my pocket again why i like the iphone...
    i know the HD isn't exactly tiny but it isn't as slim as the iphone either...

    I am semi tempted to look into them again but why did they phase them out? that's what's worrying me tbf...

    on a final note why oh why is it called the HD that clearly isn't an HD res nor could it play HD video at a native res either nor scaled i'd doubt. maybe some h264 like the iphone but it isn't the same.
    this fad of naming everything HD is very annoying aswel. seems alot of manufacturers are currently naming random things HD...think they've missed the point. either that or the market for dumbasses hearing a fancy word and buying it has gone up.

    hope this clears up alot.
    i'm really not bitching not trying to start a fanboy flamewar i just think microsoft always rush things and then stuff you on the tech support. you've got to admire apples support for updates atleast they try and fix their flaws like linux does with it's constant improvements.
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    Re: Touch HD - no Longer?

    I am actually having a gander at the HD now... didn't realize it was a 5mp camera... could be tempting considering the form factor with a 5mp...
    urgh just seen the 512mb memory:/ that sucks.what's the highest support for memory in it?
    i don't like the slow sliding through every menu that'd annoy me immensely... is there anything better coming out in the next month from them as i'm planning to upgrade on the 2nd of august...
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    I just got so fed up with this thing for it's crappy erratically working scroll ball and poor right-click detection that I just threw it against a wall and it exploded.

    Good riddance. Wish I'd done it about a year ago.

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    Re: Touch HD - no Longer?

    Quote Originally Posted by keef247 View Post
    they are unstable exactly
    Bullcrap. And my touch diamond 2 is smaller than the iPhone to boot - and yet they've managed to squeeze in a 5mp camera (despite your belief it's not possible) on the back and a front facing camera on the front too. I've a lot of time for the iPhone but it's far less capable for my needs and the TD2 is probably one of the best phones i've ever used. As pointed out - they're a doddle to develop for and there's stacks of ways to customize it to your needs (from new ROMS to entire new GUIs - TouchFlo, SPB Mobile Shell 3 to mention a couple). Personally i'm using WM6.5 (rock solid), SPB MS 3 as the main GUI and i've enabled haptic feedback too (which surprised me by it's usefulness). I use iGO 8 for navigation (which is the best nav package i've used by far) - what's my iPhone replacement for that?

    I'm all for personal choice, but really the only weakness of WM is the default GUI (which is replaced by most OEMs now anyway) - the core OS is stable and very capable (multitasking is darn useful). The iPhone's OS is only just beginning to get basic features (cut and paste) that I take for granted which is to be expected given it's youth. Apple have done a good job of pushing the UI on phones forward but i'd struggle to slate WM phones when they're simply better featured and more capable for a multitude of tasks at the present time. YMMV - and that's fine - but it's neither silly or stupid to choose and alternative to the iPhone if it fits your needs far (far) better.
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    Re: Touch HD - no Longer?

    i never said they couldn't do a 5mp i said i didn't realise the touchHD was a 5...
    what's your diamonds storage though as another thing i like is having the 32gb onboard...
    just had a quick look it looks pretty sexy actually.still chunky though so wouldn't call it a squeeze for the camera. don't like how much possible screen real estate is wasted on the front. it could be even bigger with buttons closer to the bottom... shame the cam doesn't do 30fps video like the 3mp iphones which i've seen videos off and is very smooth (cause i have a 5mp carl zeiss on my current phone so don't want to go backwards quality wise)

    will have a gander online. how old is it and is there anything better coming out start of aug? as my upgrade is the 2nd... don't want to go buy say that touch diamond 2 and end up with something outdated a month later that i didn't know was coming.

    you guys are quite tempting me... links to the other front end gui's... i wanna see if something takes my fancy
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    I just got so fed up with this thing for it's crappy erratically working scroll ball and poor right-click detection that I just threw it against a wall and it exploded.

    Good riddance. Wish I'd done it about a year ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keef247 View Post
    i never said they couldn't do a 5mp i said i didn't realise the touchHD was a 5...
    what's your diamonds storage though as another thing i like is having the 32gb onboard...
    A MicroSD slot takes care of that - if you need it. Personally, I stuck a 4gb card in and i've yet to fill that (but then I don't use it as a music player aside from streaming internet radio with wunderadio).

    Quote Originally Posted by keef247 View Post
    just had a quick look it looks pretty sexy actually.still chunky though so wouldn't call it a squeeze for the camera. y
    lol - let's look at sizes:

    TD2 - 107.9 x 53.1 x 13.7 mm
    iPhone - 115.5 x 62.1 x 12.3 mm

    So yeah, well "chunky" Interesting how the thicker, longer and wider iPhone ends up feeling 'slim' - good design I guess!

    Quote Originally Posted by keef247 View Post
    don't like how much possible screen real estate is wasted on the front. it could be even bigger with buttons closer to the bottom.
    There's a zoom bar directly below the screen (you swipe your finger over it to zoom in and out) which accounts for some of it - and the 1cm 'lip' at the bottom stops you hitting the hard keys by mistake when holding it The one thing you won't do is complain about the screen - it's pin-sharp WVGA

    It's not long out so there's no talk of a replacement on the horizon as yet. I'd really advise playing with one though - phones are awfully subjective.
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    Re: Touch HD - no Longer?

    Quote Originally Posted by keef247 View Post
    as for apps i LOVE symbian its awesome. but yeah apps for iphone vs windows mobile... you can't deny that mate.

    as for texting etc i have huge hands and i can fly through typing on the iphone i never ever thought i'd want a touchscreen phone.i was going to just stick with the idea of getting the n97 but the 3g s blows it out of the water.

    another thing is the size. NOTHING comes close to the iphone. which is worth its weight in gold because who want's a brick in the times we're living in. apple have proved it's possible so why are people still encasing products in huge cheap plastic shells it's just cheap.

    like laptop's i got the 13.3 macbook when it came out and before that i'd never thought about apple ever. hated them. but the macbook all beautifully built and strong in a non-strut based structure all laser cut lightweight ally etc its awesome... yet windows based lappy's what are they using... PLASTIC STILL... and then what happened dell suddenly though oh we'll make a ally laptop now. same concept with windows mobile phones and the iphone.

    i will whillingly admit it's still behind but then again it isn't now with mms (FINALLY! even though it's more of a novelty to me as you can email etc) and a better camera... people bitch about the camera but try fitting a 5mp in something that thin... not going to happen... possibly with the sony aino but we don't know how good that is yet...

    as for the touch screen browsing its very nice on the iphone more than adequate and the zooming is nice i'm sorry but who uses stylus's anymore? their bloody annoying. its sposed to be a phone not a tablet device. the whole idea is you can seemlessly use your fingers like your pressing buttons.with landscape as i've mentioned i can actually vouch for this now as before it was a painful experience...
    Step away from the fanboyism

    1. Apps, I have some pretty good apps. I didn't have to wait 3 years for a tethering option for my phone.... it was preinstalled. Not only that it works over usb OR bluetooth

    2. Texting, Maybe, but I have a full slide out QWERTY keyboard with auto error correction, I reckon that is quicker (as a lot more phones come with them now)

    3. Size, http://www.product-reviews.net/2008/...son-xperia-x1/
    The iphone is only a little thinner, and that can be put down to the slide out keyboard, otherwise my phone is smaller

    4. Build quality, mine has a brushed steel/aluminium body. And compare the price of a similar spec mac + a similar spec non-Apple laptop, they are half the price for a plastic case, if you want style buy a Vaio

    5. Camera, SE K850i had a 5mp camera C910i has a 10mp camera, Samsung memoir/pixon have 8mp cameras. My x1 has a 3.2mp camera

    6. Stylus, The WM devices come with a stylus as they are for professional work. You obviously haven't used any of the skinning such as SPB home or seen 6.5 as both are designed to be finger friendly now. I only use my stylus for playing solitare or ball breaker on my WVGA (800x480, as opposed to your 480x320) screen, or sometimes I will use the stylus to play Warcraft 2, but I don't need it for Call of Duty 2 on my phone (the pc game runs on the X1/Touch pro 2/Touch HD etc, haven't seen anything that good on the iPhone.....)

    Couple of points..... what if you don't like the stock keyboard for the touch screen? WM can just download a new one and freely choose between them

    Cost... My X1 cost me £50 on a £27 a month (the £45 with 40% discount) contract as an existing customer, the 16gb 3gs iPhone would have cost me £90 on a £45 contract with no reduction in line rental. All I had to do was buy a £20 16gb microSD card and I have more (as the phone has around 512mb built in) memory than the iPhone, and I can expand it.

    If you think the WM interface is bad look at Touchflo, that is what nearly all HTC devices come with now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by finlay666 View Post
    Step away from the fanboyism

    1. Apps, I have some pretty good apps. I didn't have to wait 3 years for a tethering option for my phone.... it was preinstalled. Not only that it works over usb OR bluetooth

    2. Texting, Maybe, but I have a full slide out QWERTY keyboard with auto error correction, I reckon that is quicker (as a lot more phones come with them now)

    3. Size, http://www.product-reviews.net/2008/...son-xperia-x1/
    The iphone is only a little thinner, and that can be put down to the slide out keyboard, otherwise my phone is smaller

    4. Build quality, mine has a brushed steel/aluminium body. And compare the price of a similar spec mac + a similar spec non-Apple laptop, they are half the price for a plastic case, if you want style buy a Vaio

    5. Camera, SE K850i had a 5mp camera C910i has a 10mp camera, Samsung memoir/pixon have 8mp cameras. My x1 has a 3.2mp camera

    6. Stylus, The WM devices come with a stylus as they are for professional work. You obviously haven't used any of the skinning such as SPB home or seen 6.5 as both are designed to be finger friendly now. I only use my stylus for playing solitare or ball breaker on my WVGA (800x480, as opposed to your 480x320) screen, or sometimes I will use the stylus to play Warcraft 2, but I don't need it for Call of Duty 2 on my phone (the pc game runs on the X1/Touch pro 2/Touch HD etc, haven't seen anything that good on the iPhone.....)

    Couple of points..... what if you don't like the stock keyboard for the touch screen? WM can just download a new one and freely choose between them

    Cost... My X1 cost me £50 on a £27 a month (the £45 with 40% discount) contract as an existing customer, the 16gb 3gs iPhone would have cost me £90 on a £45 contract with no reduction in line rental. All I had to do was buy a £20 16gb microSD card and I have more (as the phone has around 512mb built in) memory than the iPhone, and I can expand it.

    If you think the WM interface is bad look at Touchflo, that is what nearly all HTC devices come with now.
    be good if you could keep up with the thread before posting stupid comments wouldn't it.
    i'm not a fanboy as i've stated i was well against apple until the new macbook came out and as i said i would have bought it if it was a windows machine the os meant nothing it was the built quality and hardware that i was interested in.as also previously stated i could have just built a hackintosh for cheaper if i'd wanted the os...
    as for them being half the price not really i picked my macbook up for 936quid delivered new day instead of 1242 off apple... then i put 72quid's worth of xms pro 1067mhz ddr3 corsair in (which would have cost 229 quid for slower apple 880mhz ddr3 off the upgrade page) so not not really alot in it when i spent 927 quid year before on a crappy overheating plastic dell with a really steap spec...

    same as the imacs their better spec'd and cheaper than any other all in one solution for the money... do your research mate.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS4Pt6hhECY point proved!

    as for your phone yeah that's the one that's really buggy and has lots of issues and got crap reviews by a lot of trusted sites... i was going to buy one... as for the k850i lmao i had that and sold it straight away it has an issue sony can't figure out where it likes to turn itself off when it feels like it.haha as soon as i mentioned this to vodafone they immediately offered to send me another and didn't know what to say about the issue except sony were aware but couldn't fix it...

    as for touchflo yeah that sucks constant repetitive flicking your finger that doesn't always respond. that'll get old very quickly...
    as for tethering who cares tbh... and you can use both usb and bluetooth again do your research.

    games wise i really couldn't care because i have both a modded ds lite and a modded psp slim which will dick both iphone and pdaphone games... yeah it's nice to have a quick game but i don't really use a phone for that...

    stylus wise i'm glad they've sorted it now but i was talking about what it comes with and not modding/swapping out the os...

    as for the comment about the cost etc i have time after time mentioned i'm jailbreaking it and not being ripped off by o2...

    so again read the whole thread and don't nit pick. you obviously just got to the first page and pressed quote! otherwise you'd know i am now semi tempted to get a windows mobile if i can find one that i like both the asthetics and build/os
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    Re: Touch HD - no Longer?

    Quote Originally Posted by keef247 View Post
    be good if you could keep up with the thread before posting stupid comments wouldn't it.
    i'm not a fanboy as i've stated i was well against apple until the new macbook came out and as i said i would have bought it if it was a windows machine the os meant nothing it was the built quality and hardware that i was interested in.as also previously stated i could have just built a hackintosh for cheaper if i'd wanted the os...
    as for them being half the price not really i picked my macbook up for 936quid delivered new day instead of 1242 off apple... then i put 72quid's worth of xms pro 1067mhz ddr3 corsair in (which would have cost 229 quid for slower apple 880mhz ddr3 off the upgrade page) so not not really alot in it when i spent 927 quid year before on a crappy overheating plastic dell with a really steap spec...
    Wow someone got their knickers in a twist, who pissed in your cornflakes?

    Why would I spend £1k on a dell when I could get much more powerful systems elsewhere? XPS/alienware are overpriced for what they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by keef247 View Post
    same as the imacs their better spec'd and cheaper than any other all in one solution for the money... do your research mate.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS4Pt6hhECY point proved!
    And how many people buy an all in one solution? Very few.

    Quote Originally Posted by keef247 View Post
    as for your phone yeah that's the one that's really buggy and has lots of issues and got crap reviews by a lot of trusted sites... i was going to buy one... as for the k850i lmao i had that and sold it straight away it has an issue sony can't figure out where it likes to turn itself off when it feels like it.haha as soon as i mentioned this to vodafone they immediately offered to send me another and didn't know what to say about the issue except sony were aware but couldn't fix it...
    Really? Good to know my phone is buggy since I upgraded the firmware (don't go about how iPhones don't have to...they are on their 3rd+ revision already) it has been absolutely fine. Which review sites were those then? I doubt you can actually provide any real proof that a phone is buggy.

    Wait a second...isn't the iPhone the phone with the inherent design flaw that when they lock up they can't be reset as you can't remove the battery? And what about the 1 day battery? I have a fully qualified 3d graphics processor in my phone and I still get 4 or 5 days out between charges.

    Quote Originally Posted by keef247 View Post
    as for touchflo yeah that sucks constant repetitive flicking your finger that doesn't always respond. that'll get old very quickly...
    like on the iPhone? I find my phone has plenty of power for it and is very responsive
    Quote Originally Posted by keef247 View Post
    as for tethering who cares tbh... and you can use both usb and bluetooth again do your research.
    Well me for one, a lot of other people who use their phones for business and apparently iPhone users, although they have to pay additional data rates to use it on their iPhone and wait a couple of years for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by keef247 View Post
    games wise i really couldn't care because i have both a modded ds lite and a modded psp slim which will dick both iphone and pdaphone games... yeah it's nice to have a quick game but i don't really use a phone for that...
    So you carry your psp AND DS Lite wherever you go? PSP games suck tbh and I own one (and a DS Lite, both modded)

    Quote Originally Posted by keef247 View Post
    stylus wise i'm glad they've sorted it now but i was talking about what it comes with and not modding/swapping out the os...
    Well then you really miss the point of owning a powerful touchscreen device is the levels of customisation you can apply, I can have 9 different home 'panels' depending on what I want, dedicated media playing facilities, news feeds with video streaming, skype over 3g/wifi and more including full gps based sat nav.

    Quote Originally Posted by keef247 View Post
    as for the comment about the cost etc i have time after time mentioned i'm jailbreaking it and not being ripped off by o2...
    You are still getting ripped off on the price you are paying for it, payg or contract.

    Quote Originally Posted by keef247 View Post
    so again read the whole thread and don't nit pick. you obviously just got to the first page and pressed quote! otherwise you'd know i am now semi tempted to get a windows mobile if i can find one that i like both the asthetics and build/os
    No I read most of the 2nd page actually also, but it was the one most suitable to point flaws in your arguement and that you have consistently resorted to changing the topic of discussion to detract from the fact that you haven't used a modern Windows Mobile device so don't have the knowledge of using one in order to form a balanced opinion and can only go by 3rd party opinions of a product which may be dated.

    You make a lot of comments but don't really have anything to back it up
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    Re: Touch HD - no Longer?

    I know i shouldn't reply, i know its obvious to the OP that you've not got an concept of what the phone offers.... but i have too, its a personal failing, it should be obvious that i'm write and i should be able to leave it at that, but frick, i can't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keef247 View Post
    nope it was a review i saw from the usa fanboys going to get it for some online video mag... it was the touchflo thing that was being crap and not responding. all the front ends seem to be a bit laggy and unresponsive. and that's what i had used.maybe you've had a firmware/o/s update that's fixed it i don't know but wm are famous for making dodgy front ended phones that are trying to do the whole iphone style flare gui wise... that's what i'm talking about being a ripoff of. yeah fair enough make something better etc but do something original whilst your at it surely. not little animated transitions with the same style as another product.
    1. link for review, i still think you be bull****ting.
    2. touchflo in its original version i thought was crap, please note once again that it came out BEFORE THE IPHONE. YES BEFORE IT.
    3. WM don't make phones. WM haven't tried to copy the iPhone interface at all, in fact that is kind of hte problem, its not changed in 10 years!
    4. If you had read my posts above you would understand how its original.

    why should texts be a problem i have 18 texts under 2000limit on my n82 nokia and their saved on the memory card which should be more stress to load from and they open fine each time so why should that be such a benchmark...
    because searching that many texts from my phone, joinging them into a threaded conversation, then been able to scroll them with virtualised rendering (ie no latency) is impressive. If you had ever programmed you would understand why. Not to mention this is a good usability bench mark.

    i also have big hands as i've already said so the remark about the stylus is purely that you shouldn't need one.not that you DO but just in general like you were saying about if you want to sit and copy and paste etc... no i just used the tip of my nail and slid my finger along on the 3g s...
    Again, you haven't read what i said. If you did you would have understood that the stylus dosen't come out often, only when i'm using pocket word/excel, or doing something fiddly, 90% of the time its finger. This is the question, why is having a second touch, preferable to having the accuracy of a stylus? At the moment the kind of multitouch been used its mutually exclusive choice. I choose a stylus.

    i was VERY sceptical about the iphone since the first one and the 3g did nothing for me. so everyone that keeps shouting fanboy your badly missinformed...
    my macbook is the first apple product bar a crappy old 1st gen shuffle ipod i've had... so no i'm really not.
    Err, no it wont, just like the people who go on about Jesus with such dire verbosity, are those who only found him recently.

    on a proper os side i've always preferred bsd and linux and os x seems to bridge the gap between linux stability and windows app/game compatibility and thats it...
    wtf, we are talking phones. If you really felt that way, you would look android, iPhone BSD might well be a Barstadised Software Distrabution, but it is to Mac OSX (which i can rip on why its awful if you want in another thread, I have been through a 'security researching' phase in my life) what gorden brown is to prudence.

    i just love not getting virus's and not having loads of wasted resources devoted to protecting my system before i've even begun productivity... plus things like photoshop etc are claimed to run 20% or so faster in os x which i have definitely seen an improvement in...
    Remeber, your phone runs its web browser as root, my phone runs it in a sandbox. Don't talk such bollocks.

    [quote[and then there's the build quality like i've mentioned before.
    it is proper rigid and smooth yet solid and bulletproof chassis with a stunning finish and feel to it... not tacky plastic that heats up and eventually bends and looses it's shape etc... (like with the previous macbook's and a lot of windows lappys) and ofcourse the proper sized touchpad...[/quote]And heat issues, and radio interference issues. You have obviosuly never held a touch HD, there is no chance it is going to bend. This is even more obvious of how much crap your spouting becuse if you had held a touch HD you would be ripping on the build quality of hte power button and volume buttons been questionable.

    i hate laptops usually but ever since getting this i've plugged a mouse in twice... and that was for games lol...
    i hate being limited to such a small space with a windows touchpad yet with this its huge and yet never gets in the way when typing and again all the smooth gestures and lack of buttons make it even more spacious and a pleasure to use...
    wtf? TOUCH HD. Stay on topic (not to mention there is no souch thing as a windows touchpad)
    ....irrelivent mumblings......
    as for the comment about the apple site i have already stated that stuff magazine has proven their claims... i purely ripped that info off their site as it was easiest to find...

    i have as again i've already said used it in real life and proved the bold claims...
    it IS twice as fast as a 3g at anything and the battery IS better for wifi and music/videos etc... so it again IS an improvement...
    as for the os limitations like mms only just arriving i more than aggree with you... i was very annoyed when the first and then 2nd gen one came out still lacking 10year old functions!
    So, in a nutshell, convince me how having a 1/6th of the battery life of the touch HD is good.
    (drugs, alcohol and labotomy not allowed)

    as regards to keyboards i will be getting the n97 and selling it for the iphone to be jailbroken so i'm not really a fan of them i can't see the point when even with my monsterous hands i can happily bang away a huge email/text on the iphone and if i cock up it fixes it...
    no need for slow stylus tapping or a pull out bulky built keyboard phone with stupid tiny buttons and a silly layout... can't see the point in that personally.
    i used to love pysions or however their spelt lol cause their keyboards were a decent size and yet compact.
    something we agree on, the series 5 keyboard was ace. But keyboards are to the user and their useages. I wouldn't deny someone for having one. Its about the choice, the option, the freedom.

    as for battery cmon that is a really stupid statement to make saying you want to go on holiday without a charger.
    1) that's just ridiculously lazy because it's a usb or tiny plug
    2) you always take things like that for example your notebook? psp/ds etc etc you might have for journey/visit once their for important emails/business whilst away or whatever chances are you would have a laptop with you i know your going to say no i'd have my touchHD but still like you said before sometimes you want to type it out properly on a machine...
    You haven't been out partying with some of my friends (actually ask any of hte people who know me irl on here, they will tell you that me just getting out of the country for a weekend is something i like to do. I have many friends who live 1.5 hour flight away, and its nice to get some travel every month).
    I often don't take a notebook other than my Q1 ultra which i have 8 hours of battery life for. If i need longer than 8 hours, i'm going to need a proper PC probably too, but again if its the weekend, i've been known to rock up with just the shirt on my back.... when leaving my last place they did wounder why i had wrappers of brand new underwear in my filing cabinate!

    my claim about the iphones battery being good was in comparison to the previous models being utter rubbish and running out before you'd done anything... like i say i am not biased i hated the previous phones but i think with this one this time round it might actually be worth the money...

    i don't mind charging it every night aslong as i get what i want to be done in the day completed.

    don't get me wrong it's lovely having a insane amount of battery life i.e. the n97 but i don't want a brick in my pocket again why i like the iphone...
    i know the HD isn't exactly tiny but it isn't as slim as the iphone either...
    Mods are going to tell me off/edit this if i post what i really want to.

    But you sir are both a muppet, and a liar. The HD is 0.3mm THINNER. FFS YOU STUPID rubbishrubbishrubbishrubbish!

    (guys that is the edited version, i did my best)
    on a final note why oh why is it called the HD that clearly isn't an HD res nor could it play HD video at a native res either nor scaled i'd doubt. maybe some h264 like the iphone but it isn't the same.
    this fad of naming everything HD is very annoying aswel. seems alot of manufacturers are currently naming random things HD...think they've missed the point. either that or the market for dumbasses hearing a fancy word and buying it has gone up.

    hope this clears up alot.
    i'm really not bitching not trying to start a fanboy flamewar i just think microsoft always rush things and then stuff you on the tech support. you've got to admire apples support for updates atleast they try and fix their flaws like linux does with it's constant improvements.
    HTC called it this because its the higher definition version of the touch. Simple name. They didn't put 720p or anything. The iPhone might well bring out their HD version soon...... with the 1ghz it would need, and 12 hour battery life.

    [QUOTE=keef247;1730179]I am actually having a gander at the HD now... didn't realize it was a 5mp camera... could be tempting considering the form factor with a 5mp...
    urgh just seen the 512mb memory:/ that sucks.what's the highest support for memory in it?
    i don't like the slow sliding through every menu that'd annoy me immensely... is there anything better coming out in the next month from them as i'm planning to upgrade on the 2nd of august...
    it takes micro SD.... That is the 512 of on board memory, its useful for adistinction between applications and data. They ship it with an 8 or 16gig card.
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    Re: Touch HD - no Longer?

    Quote Originally Posted by keef247 View Post
    shame the cam doesn't do 30fps video like the 3mp iphones which i've seen videos off and is very smooth (cause i have a 5mp carl zeiss on my current phone so don't want to go backwards quality wise)
    touch HD does 30 fps........................................

    The quality is still utter **** compared to a proper small camera thou.
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    Re: Touch HD - no Longer?

    I've owned a few WM phones in the past, most recently an XDA Orbit 2 running 6.1. I've time & time again been disappointed with the look & feel of WM & I've been reading up on newer smartphones (can't remember which) & HTC have reskinned a lot to be finger friendly but the old-ugly WM interface still pops up here & there.

    I'm personally getting an iphone, I know the camera sucks, I know the battery is crap but my prior experience with WM, the lack of decent apps (I found in general they were mostly useless to me, not even mentioning the games!) & the greatness that is the App store has made me want Apple.

    I can't try out the HD/etc so can't see how great their new effort is on the UI front & maybe if I did I'd change my mind. Problem is mobile stores won't open up most phones for you to play with but have iPhones sitting around to mess with & they look, feel & work 'nicely'

    No doubt I'll get bored of the iPhone & change it in 6months but at least I'll have had a new gadget to play with

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