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    Touch HD - no Longer?

    i contacted Orange yesterday to upgrade from my TytnII, only to find out that they have discontinued the Touch HD the only WM phones they could offer me was the Touch 3G and the Touch Diamond (both of which are now OLD)

    after thinking about this, i reckon they've done this to help boost the new Nokia 5800 they have exclusively.

    To me it makes no sense to ditch the HD and keep the older style WM phones.

    off to o2 me thinks to an iPhone
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    Re: Touch HD - no Longer?

    Orange are picking up the Touch Pro 2, and could well be prepairing for the Diamond Touch 2 as well.

    The Hero is also coming to Orange.

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    Re: Touch HD - no Longer?

    Yes, I noticed a few weeks ago and thought it was a bit nutty. Thing is though, it's still pretty easy to get hold of one through an internet Orange contract reseller from what I can tell, and almost certainly a fair bit cheaper.

    I suspect the Touch Diamond 2 will be a better option though if it does come to Orange, pretty much the same as the Touch HD from what I can see.

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    Re: Touch HD - no Longer?

    Specs are essentially identical for the internals. I think the screen on the HD is larger, ans hence the handset is larger, however the screen resolution is the same. The Touch Diamond 2 has a beautifull screen.

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    Re: Touch HD - no Longer?

    I dont like touch mobiles. It is very noncomfortable.

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    Re: Touch HD - no Longer?

    If you can grab a touch pro 2, it's basically the touch hd and the touch pro all in one bit of kit - It's fantastic.

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    Re: Touch HD - no Longer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Boy View Post
    i contacted Orange yesterday to upgrade from my TytnII, only to find out that they have discontinued the Touch HD the only WM phones they could offer me was the Touch 3G and the Touch Diamond (both of which are now OLD)

    after thinking about this, i reckon they've done this to help boost the new Nokia 5800 they have exclusively.

    To me it makes no sense to ditch the HD and keep the older style WM phones.

    off to o2 me thinks to an iPhone
    don't go to the dark side and get an iphone. Reports are already starting to surface that the new 3gs is overheating and turning the white iphones a lovely shade of brown.
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    Re: Touch HD - no Longer?

    As said in the headlines on the main hexus page, the palm pre seems to be coming to O2. Could be a good alternative.
    I do know everything, just not all at once. It's a virtual memory problem.

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    Re: Touch HD - no Longer?

    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyMonkey View Post
    If you can grab a touch pro 2, it's basically the touch hd and the touch pro all in one bit of kit - It's fantastic.
    I'd agree with this. You lose around 0.2" of screen (same resolution) but gain a hardware keyboard. Sells it for me :-)

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    Re: Touch HD - no Longer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Boy View Post
    after thinking about this, i reckon they've done this to help boost the new Nokia 5800 they have exclusively
    er sorry WHAT? they don't have it exclusively at all voda have them aswel lol.

    as for

    Quote Originally Posted by starbuck View Post
    don't go to the dark side and get an iphone. Reports are already starting to surface that the new 3gs is overheating and turning the white iphones a lovely shade of brown.
    what a hypocritical thing to say... your saying don't get the phone you really want but can't get/afford so your going for the rip off styled market instead.
    riiiight... makes so much sense.
    did we have all these clones before the iphone? no we didn't we had crappy xda/htc's and now what are they all doing? trying to copy every touch gesture in the world.

    who ever thinks windows mobile is better than symbian or iphone os is better is insane.

    oh and as for the browness that's utter rubbish Over 1 million sold in the first weekend are they just overhyping an issolated incident hmmm?
    either way it's not like they won't give you another and it's probably just a dodgy batch like when those sony laptops years ago were catching fire with dodgy chargers...

    People have to realize - no product is perfect. The fact that one breaks isn't proof of a design problem. If there are a significant percentage, then you can make a case of it.

    get the iphone because it's probably what you actually wanted originally but had to settle for an alternative... or alternatively get the most expensive phone you can get then sell it and buy an iphone and unlock it and use your preferred network that's what i'm doing o2 mate!
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    Quote Originally Posted by keef247 View Post
    what a hypocritical thing to say... your saying don't get the phone you really want but can't get/afford so your going for the rip off styled market instead.
    riiiight... makes so much sense.
    did we have all these clones before the iphone? no we didn't we had crappy xda/htc's and now what are they all doing? trying to copy every touch gesture in the world.
    First off, no one is saying they can't afford it, only bad thing is the lock in with o2.

    Second calling them a rip off market shows a lot of ignorance. The HD, the phone in question here is on paper way ahead of the iPhone 3g, the 3gs starts to catch it up.

    That is hardly a rip off, when the main features you actually want to use, like speed surfing, and how much text you can easily read (much better screen, better resolution), the HD is far ahead.
    Quote Originally Posted by keef247 View Post
    who ever thinks windows mobile is better than symbian or iphone os is better is insane.
    Well lets have a think about this. I'm a developer, i've found symbian quite good, its a fairly standardised platform, with ideas like the s60, from over 7 years ago!

    Windows Mobile is waaay ahead of the others in ease of developement. Making a simple program which used a secured webservice to check on status of some systems took me, 10 minuites. Start to finish.

    Then the fact this program can be peroidically scheduled to poll automatically. If it fails it alerts me automatically, even when my phone is on sleep profile.
    Quote Originally Posted by keef247 View Post
    oh and as for the browness that's utter rubbish Over 1 million sold in the first weekend are they just overhyping an issolated incident hmmm?
    either way it's not like they won't give you another and it's probably just a dodgy batch like when those sony laptops years ago were catching fire with dodgy chargers...

    People have to realize - no product is perfect. The fact that one breaks isn't proof of a design problem. If there are a significant percentage, then you can make a case of it.
    I think the fear is that its not isolated, apple have a track record for saying lalalallalalala there is no problem, lalalalallalalalallalalala. Given this people are naturally untrusting, it will be intresting to see how big this problem comes, there are already a sizeable number of reports, but given the number sold, it could be an insignificant issue, myself i'd hold off for a refresh thou.
    Quote Originally Posted by keef247 View Post
    get the iphone because it's probably what you actually wanted originally but had to settle for an alternative... or alternatively get the most expensive phone you can get then sell it and buy an iphone and unlock it and use your preferred network that's what i'm doing o2 mate!
    You see you've failed to give a good reason for the iPhone.

    iPhone has multi touch, so you can touch more than once, is this better than a stylus? Depends, for the zooming is very controlable ie when web browsing, for everything else i ask of the modern smart phone, not really. Pocket Opera for instance has a much better inteligent zoom, use it and you will have to admit its better.

    The iPhone user interface is quick, and responsive always, thing is, when i'm never leaving an app open on my WM phone, it is quick and responsive. Sliding animations asside, this is true of my 7 year old nokia smartphone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus View Post
    First off, no one is saying they can't afford it, only bad thing is the lock in with o2.

    Second calling them a rip off market shows a lot of ignorance. The HD, the phone in question here is on paper way ahead of the iPhone 3g, the 3gs starts to catch it up.

    That is hardly a rip off, when the main features you actually want to use, like speed surfing, and how much text you can easily read (much better screen, better resolution), the HD is far ahead.
    Well lets have a think about this. I'm a developer, i've found symbian quite good, its a fairly standardised platform, with ideas like the s60, from over 7 years ago!

    Windows Mobile is waaay ahead of the others in ease of developement. Making a simple program which used a secured webservice to check on status of some systems took me, 10 minuites. Start to finish.

    Then the fact this program can be peroidically scheduled to poll automatically. If it fails it alerts me automatically, even when my phone is on sleep profile.I think the fear is that its not isolated, apple have a track record for saying lalalallalalala there is no problem, lalalalallalalalallalalala. Given this people are naturally untrusting, it will be intresting to see how big this problem comes, there are already a sizeable number of reports, but given the number sold, it could be an insignificant issue, myself i'd hold off for a refresh thou.
    You see you've failed to give a good reason for the iPhone.

    iPhone has multi touch, so you can touch more than once, is this better than a stylus? Depends, for the zooming is very controlable ie when web browsing, for everything else i ask of the modern smart phone, not really. Pocket Opera for instance has a much better inteligent zoom, use it and you will have to admit its better.

    The iPhone user interface is quick, and responsive always, thing is, when i'm never leaving an app open on my WM phone, it is quick and responsive. Sliding animations asside, this is true of my 7 year old nokia smartphone.
    i wasn't saying they can't afford it but that's why all of these "iphone style" phones appear like the samsung ones that are even styled to look exactly the same. i mean who wants to buy a phone that they'll pretend is something it isn't.
    you wouldn't buy a car you couldn't afford then buy the nearest one that looks like it cause everyday you drive it you'll wish it was what it isn't and then be passed by what you really wanted...

    it's far better off to get an alternative altogether not a wannabe product. that's what really annoys me.

    i would definitely aggree with you about apple sweeping stuff under the rug but the point i was actually trying to make is if this reigns true then they'll sort it straight away. and if it continues we'll end up with a RRoD type service... i mean if there is one thing you can hand it to apple with its customer service. if they can't fix it in a few minutes they go out the back and hand you a new one.
    no questions no hmmm i dunno you might have fuxed it just job done and sorted with a replacement.

    rip off market as in taking the idea of the iphone and then making loads of clones running windows winds me up a treat.
    theres nothing imaginitive about copying someones idea and then trying to makeout all it's features are unique when if the iphone hadn't had come out they wouldn't be going down that route. think about it xda/htc's have been around for HOW long? they didn't really catch on then the iphone... i rest my case.

    as for apps i LOVE symbian its awesome. but yeah apps for iphone vs windows mobile... you can't deny that mate.

    i'm not bitching i just hate copys with bold statements about "their" features when they've just stolen someone else's idea and put their "spin" on things... it's sad.

    as for texting etc i have huge hands and i can fly through typing on the iphone i never ever thought i'd want a touchscreen phone.i was going to just stick with the idea of getting the n97 but the 3g s blows it out of the water.

    another thing is the size. NOTHING comes close to the iphone. which is worth its weight in gold because who want's a brick in the times we're living in. apple have proved it's possible so why are people still encasing products in huge cheap plastic shells it's just cheap.
    like laptop's i got the 13.3 macbook when it came out and before that i'd never thought about apple ever. hated them. but the macbook all beautifully built and strong in a non-strut based structure all laser cut lightweight ally etc its awesome... yet windows based lappy's what are they using... PLASTIC STILL... and then what happened dell suddenly though oh we'll make a ally laptop now. same concept with windows mobile phones and the iphone.

    i will whillingly admit it's still behind but then again it isn't now with mms (FINALLY! even though it's more of a novelty to me as you can email etc) and a better camera... people bitch about the camera but try fitting a 5mp in something that thin... not going to happen... possibly with the sony aino but we don't know how good that is yet...
    as for the touch screen browsing its very nice on the iphone more than adequate and the zooming is nice i'm sorry but who uses stylus's anymore? their bloody annoying. its sposed to be a phone not a tablet device. the whole idea is you can seemlessly use your fingers like your pressing buttons.with landscape as i've mentioned i can actually vouch for this now as before it was a painful experience...
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    Good riddance. Wish I'd done it about a year ago.

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    Re: Touch HD - no Longer?

    You've obviosuly never actually used the touch HD.

    As for WM vrs iPhone applications, what am i trying to deny?

    Then size and feal, even a college of mine who loves his iPhone has to admit the touch feals better, its got that less wasted space because they couldn't fit the stuff in fealing. The touch HD weighs an extra 10g. Worth it for the extra battery life? Size look at the screen and the resolution, web browsing is preferable on the HD, but i've yet to spend enough time with the 3gs to see if the speed really compensates for the lower resolution, and worse experiance.

    Been able to flick out a stylus is very useful for 'serious' i'm stuck in terminal 5 for an extra 2 hours browsing (and having a phone that has the battery life for such a task . But at the same time having the touch interface done well enough so that you don't need to resort to complex gestures, a double tap snapping to a div works really well on 90%+ of the websites i read. The way it works on beeb news for instance is just perfect.

    I'd like to get a little try with the Pre, might make it my new 'work' phone, seeing as the storm was so useless I gave it back after less than 2 weeks.

    Also i'd really like to know which features HTC have copied?

    They had been replacing chunks of the WM shell before the iphone came out. The only thing i can think of is the 'slide to awnser' thing, and tbh have ignore the other way is a good refinment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus View Post
    You've obviosuly never actually used the touch HD.

    As for WM vrs iPhone applications, what am i trying to deny?

    Then size and feal, even a college of mine who loves his iPhone has to admit the touch feals better, its got that less wasted space because they couldn't fit the stuff in fealing. The touch HD weighs an extra 10g. Worth it for the extra battery life? Size look at the screen and the resolution, web browsing is preferable on the HD, but i've yet to spend enough time with the 3gs to see if the speed really compensates for the lower resolution, and worse experiance.

    Been able to flick out a stylus is very useful for 'serious' i'm stuck in terminal 5 for an extra 2 hours browsing (and having a phone that has the battery life for such a task . But at the same time having the touch interface done well enough so that you don't need to resort to complex gestures, a double tap snapping to a div works really well on 90%+ of the websites i read. The way it works on beeb news for instance is just perfect.

    I'd like to get a little try with the Pre, might make it my new 'work' phone, seeing as the storm was so useless I gave it back after less than 2 weeks.

    Also i'd really like to know which features HTC have copied?

    They had been replacing chunks of the WM shell before the iphone came out. The only thing i can think of is the 'slide to awnser' thing, and tbh have ignore the other way is a good refinment.
    haha yeah i used it and saw the demo's before it came out where the guy was stood there going yeah you just tap this and do this and he had to do it 5 times before shi**y windows mobile responded. it's the whole touch gestured interface they've copied with their own slant on things.it's just sad.
    if their sposed to be so business orientated then why put so much flare into it gui wise... balmer was ripping the piss out of the iphone and saying its a toy and how windows mobile is for professionals and how the iphone doesn't have a keyboard... hmm and this does does it no it doesn't along with alot of other windows mobile phones.and if their sposed to be so corporate why have they put these gui eyecandys in? hmm to compete that's why. not focusing on pure productivity like they should be...
    and complex gestures lol i have huge thumbs and fingers and my hands are massive aswel and if i can do it with ease you can. for example what i'm typing this on my new macbook has all the pinch and sqeeze tech on a completely different material and system and you pick it up in seconds and it's a joy to use.how is it so complicated to do real life movements like pinching and extending your finger and thumb it's not is it.hence why they did it.after all it's meant to be about slick usability...

    oh and battery when browsing what are you talking about have you not used/red up on the S? its got Up to 5 hours on 3G Up to 9 hours on Wi-Fi which has been vouched for by a lot of trusted sites and magazines... the same with the upto 30 hours audio playback... lots of people have had around 24hours... more than good enough for me.sure it's not 3.2days solid like the n97 is sposed to be but then the battery on that thing is nearly as big as the S itself LOL. good phone though

    as for rendering taken straight off their site...
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    The first thing you’ll notice about iPhone 3GS is how quickly you can launch applications. Web pages render in a fraction of the time, and you can view email attachments faster. Improved performance and updated 3D graphics deliver an incredible gaming experience, too. In fact, everything you do on iPhone 3GS is up to 2x faster and more responsive than iPhone 3G.
    the storm jesus that phones SUCKS haha so that's one thing we aggree on.
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    I just got so fed up with this thing for it's crappy erratically working scroll ball and poor right-click detection that I just threw it against a wall and it exploded.

    Good riddance. Wish I'd done it about a year ago.

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    Re: Touch HD - no Longer?

    I don't like WM phones. but I got friends that have the Touch Diamond. It is a really sexy phone. The size, design, and everything!!!! But I would not buy it because of WM, which I find unstable. Sorry, but that is my biased opinion = /
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    they are unstable exactly
    Quote Originally Posted by Fraz regarding the Apple Mighty Mouse
    I just got so fed up with this thing for it's crappy erratically working scroll ball and poor right-click detection that I just threw it against a wall and it exploded.

    Good riddance. Wish I'd done it about a year ago.

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