Re: Who else is going for the iPhone 4 tomorrow?
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Rob_B
I've been here all night splitting my time between watching Terry Prachetts Going Postal, attempting to learn HTML & deciding on a phone (I've got a spreadsheet & everything!)
Still torn over which phone,
Desire would cost £414 over 18months (600mins), iPhone would cost £633 over the same period & only 300mins (although I wouldn't even use 100 but thats not the point!)
Tesco would be £589 but only give me 12months so if I add say £10/month for a SIM only that takes it to £659 as I assume I'd not be changing phones after a year!
I'm mad at myself for even having to think about this, the figures are so swayed in favour of the Desire it's unreal but I still want to walk into the Vodafone shop tomorrow & get an iPhone!!! Grrrrr!
It's worth baring in mind resale value too. It's one thing the iPhone has always been really good for, prices for used units stay a lot higher than any other phone on the market. In 12 months time what will the Desire be worth? And what will the iPhone 4 be worth? My guess would be £150-£200 and £280-£320 respectively going off figures for the 3GS vs last years' top handsets. As a quick nod towards the Tesco deal, it's also worth noting that if they do the same offer in 12 months you'd be able to go with the next iPhone (or competitor) as a very cheap upgrade.
Personally I'm torn between upgrading and waiting for something that can equal/better the new iPhone. The Desire doesn't really cut the mustard for me, never liked the look of the unit. I guess a chat with Vodafone will make my mind up for me. If they can do me an upgrade at a decent price then great, if not then I'll pass (no Tesco deal for me, they piggyback on O2 and their coverage is no good round here).
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A nice gadget to have, but for me just not worth the £500+, the amount of other stuff I could get with that amount of dosh would make me a million times happier than "A phone" would.:O_o1:
Re: Who else is going for the iPhone 4 tomorrow?
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lee07
A nice gadget to have, but for me just not worth the £500+, the amount of other stuff I could get with that amount of dosh would make me a million times happier than "A phone" would.:O_o1:
In the grand scale of things, for a device which is with me all the time, and gets many hours of heavy daily use, then £500/year isn't unreasonable IMO
That said, I'm not upgrading yet, though I may be persuaded when I've had a look at that screen
- on the current iPhone I can read an average webpage without zooming in when in landscape (but not portrait)
I guess with the higher res display I'd be able to read a page zoomed out in portrait...
Re: Who else is going for the iPhone 4 tomorrow?
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wholesalecell
i look forward to viewing your posts- good things, that i find and you manage to pick them up
Yeah, ok, goodbye?...
Massive Q outside the O2 store on Princes St this morning (the smaller one) still some fanboys out there! I'd be worried about that reception issue/yellow screen problem myself!
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Yellow screen is probably just a minor fault on very few phones,
but the reception problem sounds like a design fault.
Losing some reception as soon as you touch the phone ?
How could they have missed that?
a) its probably dependant on the person (some poeple get static shocks from cars etc)
b) all their field testing was with a case on...
All the more reason to wait though...
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Some people are saying they knew about this, and didn't have time to change it or resolve it properly so came up with the idea of iPhone bumper thingys. Makes sense this is Apple we are talking about after all.
Edit* I am talking about the reception issue, and touching the two bands together.
Re: Who else is going for the iPhone 4 tomorrow?
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dangel
Oddly, I don't use my phone all that much for calls - mostly for texting and a lot for internet (it's very good at this). I love, for example, lying in bed and read rss feeds with Newsroom (loverly app for RSS) and I find sat nav (and localised searching) rather priceless when out and about. But each to their own.
Of course, with modern phones they are immeasurably configurable - as indicated you can block unwanted callers hassle-free - but it's also possible to schedule times of day where the phone goes dark (silent or radio stack off completely). It's even possible to define people who are allowed to break through this barrier for emergencies. Clever stuff. Not that i'm trying to sell you on the idea - far from it - more pointing out the stuff i rather enjoy. This is especially true as i'm a natural born tinkerer - and hence what i do for a living. I like to fiddle, explore, develop - i'm endlessly curious.
It's a case of what suits individuals though, isn't it. I'm sure you're not trying to sell me on it, and I'm certainly not trying to convince anyone else not to buy one.
But going though those features .... I have a very good quality Garmin GPS. In the car, it suits me perfectly. It's been used a LOT, guided me all over the country and never let me down once. It also runs on battery and can be used hand held, but in the 5 or 6 years I've had a GPS (and I have three), I've never yet needed it hand held. This suggests to me that the usefulness to me of GPS on a phone would be minimal, and certainly not come close to justifying the price.
As for news, I prefer the "pull" model of news than push. I'd prefer to go looking for it when I want it than have the distraction of someone else pushing their idea of what interests me onto my desktop ... let alone phone. So, I don't even use RSS on the desktop. It irritates and distracts me when I don't want to be distracted.
The configurability of the phone you mention is great. The sooner that comes to landline phones, the better. I wasn't even aware that they were that configurable .... but does it justify the price? Not to me, Not even anywhere close. See, I already have my communications configured the way I want it, which is to block all but a very small and select group of friends and family. by only turning a mobile on when I want it on (which is not very often), and by being very selective about who gets the landline number.
It's not that I can't see the attractions or uses, or see the appeal to other people. It's just that these days, I look at technology in a rather different way, which is that while it might be all very clever, do I actually want it? And want it enough to pay for it? After 20 years of technology journalism, perhaps I'm a bit jaded. There was a time when you could pretty much bet that if it was the latest gadget, I either had one, or had had one. I had the contacts to ensure that I nearly always had the latest processors, for example, and as often as not, some weeks before they went on sale. But these days, in terms of buying things, it's very much a case working out what it'll do for me that what I have won't do. A classic example is the use of SSDs. Are they good? Yup. Are they good enough to get me to pay for them? Nope. They just don't make enough difference to what I actually use computers for. Will I upgrade my current Q-series quad processor to an i-series? NIt until doing so gives me a benefit which justifies the price. I bought an 8MP SLR a couple of years ago. Will I upgrade it to a newer model? Not until it either breaks down, or until those newer models give me features hat justify the cost, and the greater resolution certainly doesn't, for me anyway.
And so on. All these things are no longer a novelty for me, but merely a way to do things, A tool. And just like a chisel, a hammer or a power drill, I upgrade/replace when it needs it, not just because a new model comes out. So my questions are what the new one will do that the old one won't, and whether I need that or not, and what it costs. If it lets me do something I want to do and can't currently, or saves me money, or enough time, I'll upgrade. If not, I won't.
So .... luddite? I'm sure that was meant as a joke, but taking it seriously for a sec, no not really. It's not that I'm anti-technology. Far from it. I love it ... in it's place. Take e-book readers. I'm a book fan. I love them, and I read extensively. I have a large (and I mean LARGE) collection, enough to have paid out for a computer database just to keep track of them, and a barcode scanner for data entry. I wonder how many people here have barcode scanners at home. I have three. But despite that love of physical printed books, I can see the appeal of e-readers, especially when I'm away from home. But I'm not away from home enough these days to be prepared to pay current prices for either readers or content, If they come down in price to the point where it's worth it, I'll buy one. If they don't, I won't. It's all about whether the job they do justifies the cost or not, and so far, it doesn't.
Ditto, mobile phones.
If this new phone was £50, and available PAYG, I might get one. Just about. But I don't want what a lot of people want from a phone. To give an example, you're wasting your time texting me. I don't read texts. EVER. Sufficiently so that I got my phone provider to actually disable them ... or at least, they swore they had and I haven't had any for several years, so I guess they did. This isn't because I think texting is bad or anything. It's because anyone that knows me well enough to text me knows me well enough to know I use a phone so little that I might not get the text for a week .... or a month, next time I turn the phone on. And because I only use the phone when it suits me, I don't want to be getting loads of old texts when I turn it on. So, they know to email me, not text me.
Similarly, just like I want news on a pull model not a push model, I want web browsing when I'm at home, not out and about. If I'm out and about, I'm busy and don't want web access.
So it's not ludditeism. It's about having to tools to do the job I want done, and most of the features of iPhones (and similar) do jobs I simply don't want or need. So why pay that kind of price? £500? New TV or iPhone? Holiday or iPhone? Or a £500 investment bringing in a return, or a gadget I have no need for? I can think of a LOT of things that I'd spend £500 on before I'd spend it on a phone, no matter what it does or how good it is. A large pile of new books, for a start. ;)
Do I expect most people, especially most people on a tech forum to have this attitude? Hell, no. And I'm certainly not preaching it.
But there certainly is an element of upgraditis going on here. And these days, I'm pretty much immune to that. ;)
Re: Who else is going for the iPhone 4 tomorrow?
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Originally Posted by
Rob_B
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Desire would cost £414 over 18months (600mins), iPhone would cost £633 over the same period & only 300mins (although I wouldn't even use 100 but thats not the point!)
Tesco would be £589 but only give me 12months so if I add say £10/month for a SIM only that takes it to £659 as I assume I'd not be changing phones after a year!
I'm mad at myself for even having to think about this, the figures are so swayed in favour of the Desire it's unreal but I still want to walk into the Vodafone shop tomorrow & get an iPhone!!! Grrrrr!
That's another reason why I'm not interested. My current phone cost me £5 at ASDA (with £1 of calls included, and that lasted me about 3 months). I then put £20 of credit in it a couple (maybe 3) years ago, and I'd still got about half left.
So over that period, I've probably saved about £1500 over that. Each to his own, but I've got better uses for the £1500.
High end phones are expensive to buy, and to run. If you need it, have a business use or just want it enough to pay it, fair enough. But not me. I'd rather spend the money elsewhere.
Re: Who else is going for the iPhone 4 tomorrow?
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Saracen
It's a case of what suits individuals though, isn't it.
Oh, absolutely - I passionately believe in choice in fact.
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Saracen
But going though those features .... I have a very good quality Garmin GPS. In the car, it suits me perfectly. It's been used a LOT, guided me all over the country and never let me down once. It also runs on battery and can be used hand held, but in the 5 or 6 years I've had a GPS (and I have three), I've never yet needed it hand held. This suggests to me that the usefulness to me of GPS on a phone would be minimal, and certainly not come close to justifying the price.
Me, I went the opposite way because I really didn't want two devices - and I can't leave a GPS in the car because it'll get nicked and car sat navs are far too chunky for carrying (for me). It's also very useful to have with you in a friends car, and as I said, the location based search stuff is very useful when plodding around (but that's one of those things that you won't miss because you've never had it).
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Saracen
As for news, I prefer the "pull" model of news than push. I'd prefer to go looking for it when I want it than have the distraction of someone else pushing their idea of what interests me onto my desktop ... let alone phone. So, I don't even use RSS on the desktop. It irritates and distracts me when I don't want to be distracted.
Again, it's up to you - I don't use a push model - i click 'refresh' when I want to read the news. I only use RSS on the mobile because it makes perfect sense (and it's beautifully presented by newsroom) for the device versus surfing 10-15 websites. You can ask it to update itself but I don't need or use that.
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Saracen
And so on. All these things are no longer a novelty for me, but merely a way to do things, A tool.
Much the same came be said about anything - a car is a white good to many, whilst some are enthusiastic about them etc etc.
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Saracen
So .... luddite? I'm sure that was meant as a joke,
Yup, twas :)
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Saracen
Take e-book readers. I'm a book fan. I love them, and I read extensively. I have a large (and I mean LARGE) collection, enough to have paid out for a computer database just to keep track of them, and a barcode scanner for data entry. I wonder how many people here have barcode scanners at home. I have three. But despite that love of physical printed books, I can see the appeal of e-readers, especially when I'm away from home. But I'm not away from home enough these days to be prepared to pay current prices for either readers or content, If they come down in price to the point where it's worth it, I'll buy one. If they don't, I won't. It's all about whether the job they do justifies the cost or not, and so far, it doesn't.
Ebook readers (I have the PRS600) are even harder to justify though - because they're seriously expensive and the books can cost more than paper equivalents. But yeah, love mine too :)
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Saracen
But there certainly is an element of upgraditis going on here. And these days, I'm pretty much immune to that. ;)
Oh sure - but i'm stuck on a Q6600 system with a 280GTX - because there's no point in upgrading (yet) to me. I'm not interested in the iPhone because I just got hold of a HTC desire - a phone that truely is a revelation to me coming from a windows mobile device before hand. It's night a day different - and I 100% feel happy with the not inconsiderable sum I paid for it given what I want it for (rather than _need_). So we're all good, we're both happy :D
Re: Who else is going for the iPhone 4 tomorrow?
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Saracen
Take e-book readers. I'm a book fan. I love them, and I read extensively. I have a large (and I mean LARGE) collection, enough to have paid out for a computer database just to keep track of them, and a barcode scanner for data entry. I wonder how many people here have barcode scanners at home. I have three.
I have an app for reading barcodes in my phone!
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G4Z
I have an app for reading barcodes in my phone!
Me too :)
In fact google goggles goes way beyond that :D
Re: Who else is going for the iPhone 4 tomorrow?
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finlay666
Interesting. I see that post is updating with more reported issues.
So all those people who have queued up overnight would not of known this?, and can not hold their phone and make a call without losing reception. Damn.
Probably to late for a recall. At least hands free will still work?
Re: Who else is going for the iPhone 4 tomorrow?
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G4Z
I have an app for reading barcodes in my phone!
Okay, I'll bite. ;) :D
My book database (and for that matter, the music and move databases) have a field that does a net lookup on barcodes. All I need to do in batch entry is hold the book, point the scanner roughly at it and clock the scanner trigger. Hit return on the KB, and repeat. The scanner hits pretty much 100% accuracy, takes about a second or less, most of it being pulling the trigger, and takes about 10 seconds to install in the first place.
In fact, it's on a little dongle that goes in the KB port, with the KB plugged into the dongle. That's the install process. And, the scanner interface (which is selectable and programmable if you wish) translates from barcode to KB emulator, and presents the output as keystrokes. Neither the PC, nor the application, is aware it has a scanner attached, and needs no extra comms, no more interfacing, no driver or application support. Nothing.
So .... how do I get the data from from your phone's barcode app into my database apps? ;)
And how do I do it extremely quickly, accurately and with no almost no effort at all? All told, I'd say it takes me under 5 seconds to add a book to the database, which given how many I have, is a darn good thing. :D
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A few of the guys in the office have got the new iPhone 4, there are no issue's with their screens and the signal certainly doesn't drop when you hold it in a certain way.....
http://www.mytakeonnews.com/images/handsfree.jpg
lol
The software looks very slick and is quick, the phone itself is gorgeous but it is a high premium to pay. The screen does look nice but not outrageously impressive.
Still having a play with one.............
EDIT:
eBay Buys RedLaser iPhone App, Makes It Free
http://www.iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=10252
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Chris the only reason their signal aint dropped is becuase their service has not been activated so the in fact have no service lol
http://gizmodo.com/5571171/iphone-4-...e-antenna-band
But atleast they get 25% off accesories from carphone warehouse
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Tested the signal definitely does drop from full signal down to 0 when you pick the phone up. As soon as you place the phone on the desk the signal strength returns to full again.
Oh dear !