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    Re: iphone 4 signal problems?

    So the signal/wifi problem could have been the glitches that plagued the WWDC iPhone4 presentation.

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    Re: iphone 4 signal problems?

    Worst case scenario: You've had an accident somewhere out in the sticks (that has at least some form of coverage) and someone finds you unconscious and bleeding out, they haven't got a mobile on them and pick up your iPhone 4 to make an emergency call but they happen to be left handed and have no idea about the Apple 'briefing' on the 'special' way to use their phone. Oh dear, sorry mate looks like you're toast I can't get a signal on this thing.......

    Bit extreme obviously but y'know, fundemental flaw and all that.

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    Re: iphone 4 signal problems?

    It is quite frustrating to hear these kind of stories because ultimately it's a case of basic testing failure. I'm left-handed so this might actually be a problem for me. Maybe they should provide the Bumper free with the phone at least?

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    Re: iphone 4 signal problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by defgn View Post
    It is quite frustrating to hear these kind of stories because ultimately it's a case of basic testing failure. I'm left-handed so this might actually be a problem for me. Maybe they should provide the Bumper free with the phone at least?
    Look mate you are asking for too much. Stop being left-handed.

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    Re: iphone 4 signal problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by defgn View Post
    It is quite frustrating to hear these kind of stories because ultimately it's a case of basic testing failure. I'm left-handed so this might actually be a problem for me. Maybe they should provide the Bumper free with the phone at least?
    Didn't you hear The Man? Just hold it the right way like a real person and stop being an imbecile.
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    Re: iphone 4 signal problems?

    Ha! Ridiculous really!!!

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    Re: iphone 4 signal problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by defgn View Post
    It is quite frustrating to hear these kind of stories because ultimately it's a case of basic testing failure. I'm left-handed so this might actually be a problem for me. Maybe they should provide the Bumper free with the phone at least?
    An interesting read:
    http://www.anandtech.com/show/3794/t...one-4-review/2

    So basically, when tested properly, there is a noticeable signal drop, but not as much as previously claimed, and also occurs to a great extent on rival handsets (although for some reason, most people ignore this). Problem completely removed by using a bumper or any other case.

    Also, ability to hold onto calls in low signal areas, show the iPhone4 is best in class (including all the HTC and Google phones). I'm not an Apple fan-boy, but it does suggest that there's a lot of Android bods around making a very big issue out of this, without actually evaluating their own handsets.

    And here's a big plus point on the new iPhone compared to the old one (or any other smartphone in the market), battery life:
    http://www.anandtech.com/show/3794/t...ne-4-review/13

    Always worth reading Anand's work, he usually provides indepth analysis of stuff - and far less bias than the youtube videos floating around.
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    Re: iphone 4 signal problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Covenant View Post
    So basically, when tested properly, there is a noticeable signal drop, but not as much as previously claimed, and also occurs to a great extent on rival handsets (although for some reason, most people ignore this). Problem completely removed by using a bumper or any other case.
    It occurs for other similar priced handsets but not when you are just normally holding it.
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    Re: iphone 4 signal problems?

    Well i've got a rather poor example of a phone from LG and no matter where I hold it, it always works (sadly) so ummm take that Apple...

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    Re: iphone 4 signal problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Covenant View Post
    <snip>but it does suggest that there's a lot of Android bods around making a very big issue out of this, without actually evaluating their own handsets.
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    Yes, because only Android users have been mentioning this design fault, not the swarm of actual iPhone users who have the problem whether they changed from another handset or upgraded from old iPhone models

    The issue does exist, it is a design fault. Other handsets exhibit this behaviour (although I've never seen it) but that is because the antenna is shielded in some way by the person holding it (unavoidable on any handset) - not because the person holding it is both shielding & shorting the antenna because it is exposed.
    I've never heard of any other phone having users get no signal or significantly reduced data throughput just by holding it in their hands, especially not one so expertly made *ahem* & selling by the millions..

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    Re: iphone 4 signal problems?

    Yeah, definitely a design fault. Think Anand pointed out that a simple fix for Apple would have been just to put an anti-conductive coating around it and the problem would have been fixed. Case of style over substance I think.

    I can simulate a 1-2 bar drop in signal if I hold in on all sides and squeeze, although I wouldn't describe that as a "normal" way to hold phone! You'd look a complete muppet. Also, you actually need to press quite hard on it to make it do that - not sure why that is because surely all of your skin is conductive. Anyway, if someone more clever then me can explain why it only works if you squeeze hard, I'd be quite interested.

    They should definitely bundle the bumper with the phone. For some reason Apple (in their infinite wisedom) only sell them in the Apple store, and not where most people buy their phones (eg. Carphonewarehouse / o2 / Tescos...etc).

    I find all this anti-Apple flaming on the internet is strange though. The antenna issue I can understand - but as pointed out, signal capture is still better then the old iPhone, and better then the Android alternatives. You'd think from reading the internet that people only bought iPhones because they were brainwashed by Apple - and hadn't considered the alternatives.
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    Re: iphone 4 signal problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by Covenant View Post
    I find all this anti-Apple flaming on the internet is strange though. The antenna issue I can understand - but as pointed out, signal capture is still better then the old iPhone, and better then the Android alternatives. You'd think from reading the internet that people only bought iPhones because they were brainwashed by Apple - and hadn't considered the alternatives.
    I can certainly understand it. Imagine you were one of the first Apple guy to get the iPhone, and you then realised there is a problem. You think its software and then you realised it's the design. You email Jobs and he basically fobs you off and lectures you on the right way to hold a phone. Then you realised Apple might even have known this all along as the expensive bumper came with the launch.

    I don't think the anti-Apple flaming strange at all for this iPhone.

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    Re: iphone 4 signal problems?

    Quote Originally Posted by usxhe190 View Post
    I can certainly understand it. Imagine you were one of the first Apple guy to get the iPhone, and you then realised there is a problem. You think its software and then you realised it's the design. You email Jobs and he basically fobs you off and lectures you on the right way to hold a phone. Then you realised Apple might even have known this all along as the expensive bumper came with the launch.

    I don't think the anti-Apple flaming strange at all for this iPhone.
    Yeah good point, well made. I do think Steve Jobs' response showed quite a lot of arrogance, towards people who's just spent £600 on his toy. I actually found his response quite amusing - but yes, I can see how people wouldn't react well to that!!

    Probably not the right thread to do a comparison vs. other phones, but this issue shouldn't distract from the complete iPhone4 offering, especially as it's completely corrected using a simple bumper or any cheap 3rd party case which will likely flood the market in the next few weeks. Phone still has arguably the best screen, battery life and photo/video capture of any smart phone currently on the market.

    ...and I hear the reception quality is pretty good as well
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    Re: iphone 4 signal problems?

    Most people IMO have an iphone cause the next person has, its like BB atm are popular with your people or rubbishrubbishrubbish boots etc....
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    Re: iphone 4 signal problems?

    Ha, just read this:
    http://channel.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=25340

    Having read Anand tech's analysis, I think technically they're probably right. But can't wait to see how people react to this "cheating" ;-)
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