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    HTC Lose Apple Case...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15345892

    Could it be that the ITC shows favour to American Apple?

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    Re: HTC Lose Apple Case...

    Why would the ITC turn against an American company? Hardly impartial are they?
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    Re: HTC Lose Apple Case...

    Apple are just going to make things worse for themselves in the long run, all this patent crap only has one outcome..

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    Re: HTC Lose Apple Case...

    Yup....Apple are pushing everyone and sooner or later they are going to get everyone gang up on them en mass.

    With any luck, it might end Apple
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    Re: HTC Lose Apple Case...

    I'd rather it didn't "end" them, but yes I agree they're forcing a situation where competitors will inevitably band together to protect themselves from the (very) aggressive litigation side of Apple. Were it any other company this would impact sales/image but Apple are absolutely bulletproof in that regard (which you have to admire).

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    I wouldn't normally want to end a company but all they are doing is trying to stifle the market at the moment. If they could just compete based on their product - not that they patented a rectangular device with a touchscreen - I wouldn't have a problem with them.
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    Re: HTC Lose Apple Case...

    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    I wouldn't normally want to end a company but all they are doing is trying to stifle the market at the moment. If they could just compete based on their product - not that they patented a rectangular device with a touchscreen - I wouldn't have a problem with them.
    I think you must have your wires crossed somewhere. This news story is about the case that HTC brought against Apple. By your logic, it was HTC who were attempting to 'stifle the market' by suing Apple. In reality, it was HTC trying to protect their intellectual property, much the same way that Apple are protecting theirs.

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    Re: HTC Lose Apple Case...

    Quote Originally Posted by mrochester View Post
    I think you must have your wires crossed somewhere. This news story is about the case that HTC brought against Apple. By your logic, it was HTC who were attempting to 'stifle the market' by suing Apple. In reality, it was HTC trying to protect their intellectual property, much the same way that Apple are protecting theirs.
    Or, it was a counter-sue because Apple brought lawsuits against HTC. Probably because their devices contain atoms, and Apple invented the atom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smudger View Post
    Or, it was a counter-sue because Apple brought lawsuits against HTC. Probably because their devices contain atoms, and Apple invented the atom.
    Seriously, do people think they are clever making stupid comments like this? If Apple believe HTC have infringed upon one of their patents they are perfectly entitled to sue, much the same way HTC are entitled to to. I don't know why some people seem to think to the contrary. If you've researched, designed and perfected something, you are entitled to have that protected.

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    Re: HTC Lose Apple Case...

    Quote Originally Posted by mrochester View Post
    Seriously, do people think they are clever making stupid comments like this? If Apple believe HTC have infringed upon one of their patents they are perfectly entitled to sue, much the same way HTC are entitled to to. I don't know why some people seem to think to the contrary. If you've researched, designed and perfected something, you are entitled to have that protected.
    Not clever. Glib and irreverent, maybe. Do you seriously think you can have IP on a rectangle? Getting overly defensive about a throwaway comment, aren't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smudger View Post
    Not clever. Glib and irreverent, maybe. Do you seriously think you can have IP on a rectangle? Getting overly defensive about a throwaway comment, aren't you?
    Of course you can have a patent on a design and style else someone would be able to mimic that design and style in their own product in an attempt to ride the coatails of your success.

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    Re: HTC Lose Apple Case...

    What about a design that has previously been used, then backing up the patent/IP claim with a vague sketch of a thing that looks like every other rectangular thing with a screen? My anger comes from Apple designing things which are a generic shape and/or similar to what has gone before, then claiming rights to it when someone else uses a similar shape/design.

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    Re: HTC Lose Apple Case...

    Quote Originally Posted by Smudger View Post
    What about a design that has previously been used, then backing up the patent/IP claim with a vague sketch of a thing that looks like every other rectangular thing with a screen? My anger comes from Apple designing things which are a generic shape and/or similar to what has gone before, then claiming rights to it when someone else uses a similar shape/design.
    We can go even further than that though.

    It we take a look at This image which has been posted around the web regarding the recent suing, you could quite easily continue arguing that the iPad does very little more than a large iPhone. The iPhone in itself was hardly original, it just did what it set out to do (user experience, easy installable apps, high quality hardware and so on) very well for the mass market.

    The entire patent system is crazy though at the moment. Once we've got to the point of patenting a 'rectangular thing' as you quite rightly say, the system is broken.
    Innovation is starting to take a back seat these days, it's more about filing patents and suing others to get your cash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smudger View Post
    What about a design that has previously been used, then backing up the patent/IP claim with a vague sketch of a thing that looks like every other rectangular thing with a screen? My anger comes from Apple designing things which are a generic shape and/or similar to what has gone before, then claiming rights to it when someone else uses a similar shape/design.
    And if that design and style has come about as a result of research and development to find the best shape, size, design, weight, etc, why shouldn't that R&D be protected? Apple didn't just pluck the design of the iPad out of thin air for instance, it was carefully researched and designed to be the way it is. Why shouldn't that be protected?

    I am yet to see any convincing evidence as to why these qualities shouldn't be patentable or protected. There seems to be a group of people who see it as their right to be able to buy a product that looks and feels like an Apple product, but without the Apple name or logo, due to some perceived notion that Apple are 'bad'. Instead of wasting your time and energy ranting about Apple (which isn't going to get you anywhere anyway), try directing that anger towards the manufacturers who insisit on mimicking Apple as closely as possible, or just get over whatever issue you think you have with Apple and buy the product you actually really want.

    It's almost like some people have dug themselves such a massive hole through many years of 'Apple hating' that going against that and buying an Apple product would actually be nothing to do with whether the company or product is good or bad, it's more to do with the huge dent in pride that would result. Some people are so terribly stubborn and intent on preserving their pride they'll stick with the loser and misplace their anger/annoyance. This is actually counter productive as it sends the wrong message and isn't in the best interests of technology and advancement as a whole.

    The message very clearly to Samsung should be 'stop mimicking other successful manufacturers as closely as possible and come up with your own ideas'. This would force Samsung to foster a more innovative approach to product development, and thus advance things further. If you misplace that message and insist that it should be Apple who stops sueing those who most closely copy them, all that does is give the green light to identikit products and advancement slows. It was only recently on a forum I read a topic where people were complaining about how boring the mobile phone world had become because every man and his dog has followed the iPhone lead in producing touchscreen slab phones. If we do not want a similar situation to arise again in the tablet market, we must absolutely insist on other manufacturers coming up with their own original designs and ideas (and Apple are attempting to force this through lawsuits as there's now very little they can do to reverse what has happened in the mobile phone market).

    If you're pro-innovation, you should be supporting Apple in it's persuit against the identikit manufacturers.

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    Re: HTC Lose Apple Case...

    Please, I can guess you are either an Apple fanboy or you haven't thought about these stupid patents.

    They have tried to patent the shape and size of the iPhone.....when there were plenty of devices roughly the same shape and size anyway.....they then patent a "clean desktop"....come on, it's all completely and utterly retarded generic stuff that should NEVER be allowed to be patented.

    As for the tablets.....much the same only there wasn't a past of "like sized objects"....but still, make a device with a 7" screen and apple with take you to court for likeness.....fair? Hell no, it's a complete farce.

    IMO...They have not only pushed the boundaries of what should and should not be patented, they have clearly stepped way over them and are trying a major anticompetitive campaign based on these highly suspicious patents.....which are starting hurting all consumers.
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    Re: HTC Lose Apple Case...

    You're not getting the point. Apple's research has led them to decide that a rectangle with a screen is the best form for a pad? Look at the sketches for the IP application - then tell me how Apple can 'own' this design. The sketches look like every tablet, every digital picture frame ever made, most of which were around well before the iPad.
    It could be argued that Samsung are doing what Apple have proudly been quoted as doing - copying and improving. Apple stomping on anyone who comes close to bettering their products is not advancing innovation. It strikes me that they've got nothing left, so they're reverting to lawsuits to keep the competition down.

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