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    Win Vista Upgrade Edition - Fresh Install possible ?

    Is it possible to perform a fresh install on a formatted hard drive using Windows Vista Upgrade Edition ?

    I already have WinXP professional and wouldnt mind upgrading to either Vista Home Premium or Ultimate. But if I am going through an upgrade I would like it to be clean without any crap from WinXP hanging around.

    I have the XP disk and key if I need to enter the key or show that I have a disc. But I do not want to install XP to just upgrade to Vista.

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    Install Vista upgrade fresh, DO NOT ENTER your product key....also make sure "automatically activate when online" is NOT checked.....also do not let it download updates when the install completes.


    Now that you have an un-activated, un-patched, eval version installed you can pop your DVD in again and do an upgrade, put product key in this time and choose to activate and update etc.

    Did this last night with a Home Premium Acedemic Upgrade edition and it went through smooth and activated fine. Looks like a full (rather then OEM) licence as well. £50 for a full home premium license is a good purchase
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    the license depends on what you're upgrading from.

    If you are upgrading from XP professional OEM - then the vista licesnse will be oem license terms.

    I'm not sure what you mean when you say it "looks" like a full rather then OEM license ? what visual changes can you see/do you expect.
    It is Inevitable.....


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    Pretty sure that doing "My Computer > Properties" on my OEM install, it actually states OEM on the Properties page. After doing the fresh install of Vista upgrade, it does not state OEM on that page.

    And its a loophole which means you upgrade from the upgrade.....ergo you install it without having a Windows OS on the PC in the first place.....Hence it seems to default to a full licence......I guess it only deems itself OEM if it validates the old install as OEM, which it can't.
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    I can't see any reason why it would be an OEM license to be honest.

    If you have an OEM XP, then why would anyone buy the Upgrade Vista, when you're restricted to an OEM license. You'd buy the much cheaper OEM Vista.

    Looking at the price of XP Home OEM (£55 on Scan), then adding Vista Home Premium Upgrade (which is listed as "Retail Upgrade") (£129.85) it comes to within £10 of the Retail Home Premium. Given that XP has slipped in price a bit from release, I'd be confident in saying that if you upgrade an OEM license, you gain a Retail license.

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    But the fact remain, if you have XP OEM and install Vista Upgrade over it, it becomes OEM....Even though you paid more then you needed to for the licence and its more restrictive due to being unable to perform a 100% clean windows install from it.

    Its reasons like this that leave me dumbfounded when people defend Microsoft licensing scheme.
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    the same reasons why do these people buy the license ?
    It is Inevitable.....


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    You make no sense...


    A licence that costs more, is more restrictive.....that makes so much sense doesn't it?

    Why do people buy the licenses? For MANY VARIED reasons.....for me personally, its DX10, I know certain games will require it sooner or later, so if I want to play them I have no choice......you want DX10 you HAVE to purchase Vista.

    I cannot in any way see how that's the same.....but then you seem too blinkered by the whole "Lets challenge the prices software developers charge" line of thought, so much that you seem to be unable to see the woods from the trees.
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    is there anything out there that needs DX10 at the moment ?

    If people didn't buy it of the bat - then the sales would be down and open to possible change, but as people who have no current need for it rush to buy it or pre-order it, in between moaning about the costs, then why should microsoft change the prices as people are buying it.

    I'm not blinkered at all,
    It is Inevitable.....


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    Microsoft made the product and they can charge what they want for it.

    If they offer a basic version at a price point that most people can afford, then great.

    But I am definitely going to save as much money as I can by buying the cheapest version that will offer me what I want.

    Let's not change this thread into another discussion on MS/Vista/Price/Piracy/State of politics/Future of the world ...

    Thanks to the poster who mentioned the method of getting a fresh install from an upgrade edition. I also found that out after some googling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinizter View Post
    Microsoft made the product and they can charge what they want for it.

    If they offer a basic version at a price point that most people can afford, then great.

    But I am definitely going to save as much money as I can by buying the cheapest version that will offer me what I want.

    Let's not change this thread into another discussion on MS/Vista/Price/Piracy/State of politics/Future of the world ...

    Thanks to the poster who mentioned the method of getting a fresh install from an upgrade edition. I also found that out after some googling.
    The thing is it already is one of those threads. In circumventing the install you are (I'm fairly certain) breaking the terms of service. Why not just buy the license most relevant to you? If DX10 is the reason even retail Ultimate is no more than a high end DX10 card at present, so the "I can't afford it" line just doesn't cut it with me.

    How would you feel if Microsoft were somewhere down the line to release an update that was required for new security updates that detected if you upgraded from a previous (ie pre-Vista) version of Windows, and locked you out if it were found that you had used this exploit? Would they be ebing out of order for protecting their revenue?
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    I think it is more likely that MS have known all along and it is just another way of getting people to buy Vista.

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    it's a possibility, but if that's the case why not publicise it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Splash View Post
    it's a possibility, but if that's the case why not publicise it?
    They did not have to we did it for them and being the cynic that I am they probably leaked the method quietly to a couple of hacks and let the net do the rest. To make the gullible think they were getting one over on Microsoft. All this pirate patch and time-stopper thingy just makes folks want Vista to see what all the fuss is and guess what they go out and buy it. Another win for Microsoft.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Splash View Post
    The thing is it already is one of those threads. In circumventing the install you are (I'm fairly certain) breaking the terms of service. Why not just buy the license most relevant to you? If DX10 is the reason even retail Ultimate is no more than a high end DX10 card at present, so the "I can't afford it" line just doesn't cut it with me.

    How would you feel if Microsoft were somewhere down the line to release an update that was required for new security updates that detected if you upgraded from a previous (ie pre-Vista) version of Windows, and locked you out if it were found that you had used this exploit? Would they be ebing out of order for protecting their revenue?
    I am not circumventing ****-all. I have a legit Win XP Pro install. I want a fresh install. They have a feature which allows it. Leave the legitimacy discussions out.

    Mods please lock this thread.

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    I see no reason for the thread to be locked - I'm asking you to see it from the point of view of the manufacturer. If you want a fresh install you should buy either a retail or OEM license, no? Does nobody else think that the UPGRADE version is called that for a good reason?

    That said I'm not at all disagreeing with the point that Redlight makes about it possibly being leaked my Microsoft. I suppose it all comes down to morals (again...) - if you want a version that you can upgrade from your previous legitimately licensed version buy the Upgrade version, but be aware that it's an upgrade. If you want to be able to transfer your license to a different machine when you upgrade, buy retail. If you want to install on a machine that you will be keeping roughly the same buy OEM.

    In short - buy the relevant license and stop whining about the cost. If you can't afford to buy it you can't afford to use it. Anyone who thinks that this is a morally reasonable way to purchase the software deserves whatever happens if Microsoft decide that they will enforce their licensing terms.

    Though there's no guarantee that this will happen.



    EDIT - Also to pull Shaithis up on his wording in post #8 in this thread - the difference here is between the term "license" and the term "software". You seem to think they are interchangeable, however they sadly are not.
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