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    Fedora Core 6 - Official ATI driver hangs...

    Hi all,

    I've just done a fresh install of Fedora Core 6 x86_64. I installed all the current updates overnight, rebooted without problem and downloaded the official ATI driver (8.35.5). I ran the .run file with the drivers and specified --pkgbuild Fedora/FC6 which generated the rpm files without problem. I had to resolve a missing library (libstdgc++.so.5) but after that I managed to do a "rpm -ivh ./*.rpm" which also completed without errors.

    Once I'd done that I did "aticonfig --initial --input=/etc/X11/xorg.conf" as instructed and added the section about disabling the Mesa module to xorg.conf I found on the ATI site. I did a reboot, it showed the graphical boot process OK (no errors reported when I click "show details") but when that disappears and I'm supposed to get the gdm login screen, I get nothing.

    I can't kill the X server with CTRL+ALT+Backspace, I can't go to another console with CTRL+ALT+F1-F8 and I can't even intiate a shutdown with CTRL+ALT+DEL. The only small thing I can think of that might be a factor is that during install, anaconda incorrectly identifies my graphics card (Radeon X800 XL AGP version) as a PCIe card. Having said that, with the driver included with Fedora, it still works.

    Can anyone help me with this?

    Many thanks in advance,
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    boot into single user mode - change the default run level to 3 as I suspect you'll have to do this a few times

    Boot the box.

    then you can start debugging.

    Check the x.0.log xorg log file, see if the ati kernel module is loaded and running, try starting X manually so that you can see if any warnings are presented on screen.
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    also see if you can SSH in from another machine to aid debugging

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    ATi's Linux drivers are going to cause you all manor of headaches even if you get them working this time around. If you can get a cheap nVidia card, you'll be a lot better of.

    I know this doesn't help you with your current problem, but after years of having to put up with non-stop crap ATi drivers that piss itself on a whim, this is the best advice I can give you, stop now while you're still sane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ikonia View Post
    boot into single user mode - change the default run level to 3 as I suspect you'll have to do this a few times

    Boot the box.

    then you can start debugging.

    Check the x.0.log xorg log file, see if the ati kernel module is loaded and running, try starting X manually so that you can see if any warnings are presented on screen.
    Runlevel 3 isn't single-user, that's runlevel 1. 3 on Fedora/Redhat is multiuser without starting X, but enough splitting hairs...

    From runlevel 3 I can do startx and I get a display, although it seems gnome-wm isn't running since titlebars are missing from all windows (running twm at the moment just to be able to move windows about!). The Xorg.0.log file contains the following warnings:

    Code:
    (WW) fglrx(0): ***********************************************
    (WW) fglrx(0): * DRI initialization failed!                  *
    (WW) fglrx(0): * (maybe driver kernel module missing or bad) *
    (WW) fglrx(0): * 2D acceleraton available (MMIO)             *
    (WW) fglrx(0): * no 3D acceleration available                *
    (WW) fglrx(0): ********************************************* *
    however, doing a grep for "fglrx_drv.so" on it yields only the line:

    Code:
    (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so
    so I presume the kernel module is running. Possibly worth pointing out is that some of the Gnome applets (such as Screen Resolution) do work but others (such as Display) do not. Given that those and gdm don't seem to run, is the problem somehow to do with Gnome rather than Xorg itself?

    EDIT: Attempting to run gnome-wm from a terminal fails and produces the following:

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    [root@shiro ~]# gnome-wm
    compiz: GLX_SGIX_fbconfig is missing
    compiz: Failed to manage screen: 0
    compiz: No manageable screens found on display :0.0
    [root@shiro ~]# gtk-window-decorator: Could not acquire decoration manager selection on screen 0 display ":0.0"
    Any clues from there?
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    Well if you're adamant in continuing with this insanity then please post your xorg.conf, and when you're checking if DRI is ok use `glxinfo | grep render'. Also `lsmod | grep fglrx' to make sure the kernel module is loaded (although it's always automatically loaded for me with my kernel).
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    I said boot into single user mode - this will allow you to change it to a none x mode as you'll probably need to reboot a few times if playing with some kernel module.
    It is Inevitable.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by aidanjt View Post
    Well if you're adamant in continuing with this insanity then please post your xorg.conf, and when you're checking if DRI is ok use `glxinfo | grep render'. Also `lsmod | grep fglrx' to make sure the kernel module is loaded (although it's always automatically loaded for me with my kernel).
    Sorry, I'll give a little background - I just started a new job and one of my responsibilities is looking after various Linux workstations, some of which have ATI graphics cards. Until now I've only run Sun or SGI UNIX workstations so never had to install drivers for their displays other than from Sun or SGI themselves, hence this is partly a learning exercise for me.

    Anyway, glxinfo | grep render gives:

    Code:
    [root@shiro ~]# glxinfo | grep render
    direct rendering: Yes
        GLX_ATI_pixel_format_float, GLX_ATI_render_texture
    OpenGL renderer string: ATI RADEON X800 XL
    and lsmod | grep fglrx:

    Code:
    [root@shiro ~]# lsmod | grep fglrx
    fglrx                 771108  11
    EDIT: Sorry, forgot xorg.conf:

    Code:
    # Xorg configuration created by system-config-display
    
    Section "ServerLayout"
    	Identifier     "single head configuration"
    	Screen      0  "aticonfig-Screen[0]" 0 0
    	InputDevice    "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
    EndSection
    
    Section "Files"
    EndSection
    
    Section "Module"
    EndSection
    
    Section "InputDevice"
    	Identifier  "Keyboard0"
    	Driver      "kbd"
    	Option	    "XkbModel" "pc105"
    	Option	    "XkbLayout" "gb"
    EndSection
    
    Section "Monitor"
    
     ### Comment all HorizSync and VertSync values to use DDC:
     ### Comment all HorizSync and VertSync values to use DDC:
     ### Comment all HorizSync and VertSync values to use DDC:
    	Identifier   "Monitor0"
    	ModelName    "LCD Panel 1920x1200"
    	HorizSync    31.5 - 90.0
    	VertRefresh  59.9 - 60.1
    	Option	    "dpms"
    EndSection
    
    Section "Monitor"
    	Identifier   "aticonfig-Monitor[0]"
    	Option	    "VendorName" "ATI Proprietary Driver"
    	Option	    "ModelName" "Generic Autodetecting Monitor"
    	Option	    "DPMS" "true"
    EndSection
    
    Section "Device"
    	Identifier  "Videocard0"
    	Driver      "radeon"
    EndSection
    
    Section "Device"
    	Identifier  "aticonfig-Device[0]"
    	Driver      "fglrx"
    EndSection
    
    Section "Screen"
    	Identifier "Screen0"
    	Device     "Videocard0"
    	Monitor    "Monitor0"
    	DefaultDepth     24
    	SubSection "Display"
    		Viewport   0 0
    		Depth     24
    	EndSubSection
    EndSection
    
    Section "Screen"
    	Identifier "aticonfig-Screen[0]"
    	Device     "aticonfig-Device[0]"
    	Monitor    "aticonfig-Monitor[0]"
    	DefaultDepth     24
    	SubSection "Display"
    		Viewport   0 0
    		Depth     24
    	EndSubSection
    EndSection
    
    Section "Extensions"
    	Option "Composite" "Disable"
    	Option "AIGLX" "Disable"
    EndSection
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    as a side question to your initial question, do you need the propriatry drivers ? are these workstations doing anything graphics hungry.

    the only reason I ask or suggest considering this, as maintaining this will become more and more troublesome with

    a.) Fedora doing xorg updates
    b.) Fedora doing kernel update
    c.) ATI doing driver updates.

    All of these three must be in a compatible sync to work properly.

    Also - is there a reason these machines are running x86_64 as again that provides an additional level of support/compatability complications

    I'm not straying from the problem, I'm just adding food for thought by asking the question.

    Most businesses would not have workstations doing things that require gaphics hungry drivers or x86_64.
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    @8bit: You need the following in your xorg.conf for OpenGL to work properly, at least we know that the drivers opengl component works from your glxinfo output.

    Code:
    Section "dri"
            Mode    0666
    EndSection
    This ensures that you have the appropriate permissions for dri.


    When your desktop hangs, ssh the machine and reboot that way. You really underestimate what I mean when I said this driver pisses itself constantly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ikonia View Post
    as a side question to your initial question, do you need the propriatry drivers ? are these workstations doing anything graphics hungry.

    the only reason I ask or suggest considering this, as maintaining this will become more and more troublesome with

    a.) Fedora doing xorg updates
    b.) Fedora doing kernel update
    c.) ATI doing driver updates.

    All of these three must be in a compatible sync to work properly.

    Also - is there a reason these machines are running x86_64 as again that provides an additional level of support/compatability complications

    I'm not straying from the problem, I'm just adding food for thought by asking the question.

    Most businesses would not have workstations doing things that require gaphics hungry drivers or x86_64.
    The machines at work are used for 3D visualisations of seismic datasets, often quite large so yes to both maximum 3D performance and use of the x64 versions of Linux. Until recently companies like mine (major Oil and Gas firms) had to use Sun and SGI workstations as they were the only machines that provided support for such large memory and the 3D performance. Now we can do the same things with HP Opteron based machines and Dell Precisions that we had to spend 4x the cash on a Sun Blade or SGI Octane 4 years ago.

    @aidanjt, thanks mate I'll give that a shot when I get home tonight.
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    fair enough - it was food for thought really, but it certainly looks like you can benifit from both the x86_64 and the ati drivers.

    Once again though it could be potentially a wise move to recommend either ubuntu LTS, or RHEL versions due to the more methodical approach to development, maintenence and most importantly support. Big companies such as gas/oil should have no problems paying for the support that these products offer, and will save you messing around with things like this on a regular basis as the drivers/kernel/xorg/$stuff versions and compatability change.
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    the question remains "if you need performance, why use ati cards that are ~3x slower as well as a pain to get working?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ikonia View Post
    fair enough - it was food for thought really, but it certainly looks like you can benifit from both the x86_64 and the ati drivers.

    Once again though it could be potentially a wise move to recommend either ubuntu LTS, or RHEL versions due to the more methodical approach to development, maintenence and most importantly support. Big companies such as gas/oil should have no problems paying for the support that these products offer, and will save you messing around with things like this on a regular basis as the drivers/kernel/xorg/$stuff versions and compatability change.
    We do use redhat, mostly RHEL3 and 4. I'm using Fedora as it's the closest free equivalent.

    Quote Originally Posted by directhex View Post
    the question remains "if you need performance, why use ati cards that are ~3x slower as well as a pain to get working?"
    ~3x slower than what? For the most part that's what's in there already, I don't buy the workstations (at least not yet) but in any case I fail to see your point wrt my original query. In any case, your post was 100% non-helpful, if you're looking for yet another ATI/Nvidia flamewar please don't start it here.
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    If you use RHEL3 +4 there,

    questions (I appriciate its slightly off topic)

    If your business is using what good is you using and getting the ATI drivers working on FC6 ?? as even if you get them working this will only be for you and not your collegues.

    Would it not perhaps be a better longer term idea to get a copy of RHEL5 - get it working on your workstation so you know all the issues, then suggest an update from RHEL3/4 to 5 bringing every one together ?

    again - its only food for thought, but you seem to be working on something thats not really going to effect your support business (FC6 in relation ro RHEL)
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    Quote Originally Posted by 8bit View Post
    ~3x slower than what? For the most part that's what's in there already, I don't buy the workstations (at least not yet) but in any case I fail to see your point wrt my original query. In any case, your post was 100% non-helpful, if you're looking for yet another ATI/Nvidia flamewar please don't start it here.
    I'm guessing an equivalent nVidia card. And I don't think he's looking for a flame war - it seems to be generally accepted that ATi on GNU/Linux doesn't work all that well i.e. if you're doing graphics on GNU/Linux, choose nVidia over ATi.

    Quote Originally Posted by 8bit View Post
    We do use redhat, mostly RHEL3 and 4. I'm using Fedora as it's the closest free equivalent.
    Would CentOS not be closer?
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