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    Linux - Beryl???

    I'm a complete Linux newbie, I've installed it once and used it about 5 times before I decided that Windows XP was just easier.

    I've just seen the below video about Linux with Beryl installed. It looks incredible.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC5uEe5OzNQ

    I'm currently running Vista, how easy is it to dual boot Linux with Beryl installed? I want to mess about

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    most of the big main linux distros with a focus on desktops such as fedora and ubuntu are VERY simple to install dual boot as you've gone about it the right way around, windows first the linux.

    Just install the CD - make sure you've got space on your driver for say 20 gig root parition and a 2 x ram swap parition and let the installer walk you through (the sizes are just a guide to give you room to mess around).
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    Beryl...

    1) You see a video or screen shot and your eyes pop.

    2) You proceed to install it.

    3) You manage to get it running and you go "yay" and "this is way cooller than sliced bread".

    4) Your non-geeky mate(s) notice it when their over and go WOW WHATS THAT? How can I get that on my computer?

    5) You sigh, and explain the situation to them.

    6) A day or two passes and you notice that your not using it so much.

    7) You realise that its just pure eye-candy with very limited benifical/functional features.

    8) You proceed to quite innocently change a setting to see if it will reinvigorate your interest in it using beryl-manager but somthing breaks without warning when your apply the changes; your system crashes and KDE will no longer start up the next time you login.

    9) You spend some time trolling the net looking for a fix; your glad you installed fluxbox so that you can at least gain access to Firefox and thus search for a solution to the problem.

    10) You get lucky and find a forum post on some obsucre and alien forum that will fix the problem - You feel like a linux guru. (Then if you were me you would proceed to screw your file/folder permissions up, then you feel like a even more of a n00b then when you started using linux ).

    11) You can no longer be arsed with it and think, yeah its nice but ultimately what is the point?

    What I am trying to get through here is my experience with it. Yes it is very cool to look at and use, but really the novelty quickly wares off. After 3 or 4 days I couldn't be bothered with it.

    Off the top of my head I can only think of two features that are of real use to me. 1) It is nice not seeing an echo of the window as you drag it around the desktop as is the case with a 2D rendered desktop. 2) Folding the corder of a window that is expanded can be useful if you need to see what is in the window behind i.e compareing information in two documents where one document window is behind another. It means you don't have to minimize windows. But even this is only useful if the window you want to look at is immediately behind the currently active one.

    Depsite what I have said here and I may appear to be contridictive now, it is worth taking a look at if only to satisfy your curiosity. Just don't be suprised if you find your self thinking what all the fuss with it is about.

    As for installation, you might be better off with a Live-CD such as Knoppix 5.1 if thats all you want to do is see what beryl is like. Would save all the fuss of installing somthing that (going on your post) you don't use too often.
    Last edited by Dorza; 26-06-2007 at 01:23 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ikonia View Post
    Just install the CD - make sure you've got space on your driver for say 20 gig root parition and a 2 x ram swap parition and let the installer walk you through (the sizes are just a guide to give you room to mess around).
    And if like me, you were unsure (and still are tbh, I haven't looked into it yet) about the whole "Swap Partition" and are going to experiment with Ubuntu, just resize your Windows Partitions and the Ubuntu Installer can automatically create the right partitions with the right (or acceptable I guess) sizes to save messing about with partitioning.

    Ofcourse, if your confident enough with the partitioning process then you can do it manually, I just use Auto because the last time I did it manually, I accidentally killed my NTFS partition and have gone with Auto ever since just incase
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    Try some of the live CD's. At work I use SuSE 10.2 and I have my 5 year old daughters using Mandriva

    Take a look at:
    http://www.mandriva.com/download

    I also run Mandriva on my old IBM T41 laptop, it is a little slow but runs compiz or Beryl well.

    You could also try installing VirtualBox for windows then install a Linux guest, this is free and will let you have a play with it before you install it on the hard disk.

    http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

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    Yeah, exactly my story as well... I wanted to fiddle with beryl after seeing the vids on youtube, so now I have a triple boot system. TBH I like ubuntu and find myself using it more and more, but mostly without beryl unless I want to 'show off'.

    If only I could get WoW and Eve to work reliably with WINE... oh well.

    In any case if you wanna try it, i'd say go for it, and ubuntu (as do most of the other big distros) does install with the minimum of hassle. One of the things going for it is that you don't need a cutting edge powerhouse of a pc to get beryl running, unlike vista

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorza View Post
    Beryl...

    1) You see a video or screen shot and your eyes pop.

    2) You proceed to install it.

    3) You manage to get it running and you go "yay" and "this is way cooller than sliced bread".

    4) Your non-geeky mate(s) notice it when their over and go WOW WHATS THAT? How can I get that on my computer?

    5) You sigh, and explain the situation to them.

    6) A day or two passes and you notice that your not using it so much.

    7) You realise that its just pure eye-candy with very limited benifical/functional features.

    8) You proceed to quite innocently change a setting to see if it will reinvigorate your interest in it using beryl-manager but somthing breaks without warning when your apply the changes; your system crashes and KDE will no longer start up the next time you login.

    9) You spend some time trolling the net looking for a fix; your glad you installed fluxbox so that you can at least gain access to Firefox and thus search for a solution to the problem.

    10) You get lucky and find a forum post on some obsucre and alien forum that will fix the problem - You feel like a linux guru. (Then if you were me you would proceed to screw your file/folder permissions up, then you feel like a even more of a n00b then when you started using linux ).

    11) You can no longer be arsed with it and think, yeah its nice but ultimately what is the point?

    What I am trying to get through here is my experience with it. Yes it is very cool to look at and use, but really the novelty quickly wares off. After 3 or 4 days I couldn't be bothered with it.

    Off the top of my head I can only think of two features that are of real use to me. 1) It is nice not seeing an echo of the window as you drag it around the desktop as is the case with a 2D rendered desktop. 2) Folding the corder of a window that is expanded can be useful if you need to see what is in the window behind i.e compareing information in two documents where one document window is behind another. It means you don't have to minimize windows. But even this is only useful if the window you want to look at is immediately behind the currently active one.

    Depsite what I have said here and I may appear to be contridictive now, it is worth taking a look at if only to satisfy your curiosity. Just don't be suprised if you find your self thinking what all the fuss with it is about.

    As for installation, you might be better off with a Live-CD such as Knoppix 5.1 if thats all you want to do is see what beryl is like. Would save all the fuss of installing somthing that (going on your post) you don't use too often.

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    Yeah I've done some digging on cedega, and it was gonna be my next port of call, wanted to exhaust all my 'free' possibilities first tho Things were looking good with the latest version of WINE, WoW was working nicely, almost. There is an occasional screen flicker, the whole screen seems to flick to a blank black screen, then back to the correct screen. It was almost instantaneous and I was wondering if I could live with it, but no, it's annoying me after a few minutes. Also the last time I played it with the just updated WINE the keys wouldn't work for more than a few seconds, so I was having to hold the 'w' key for forward until my toon stopped running then let go and press it again... very annoying indeed.

    So yeah, looks like cedega might be getting installed soon!

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