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    Best Programs to pre-load for an office PC?

    Hi guys,

    the saga of my first proper IT contract slithers on - part 2 - the new computers!

    So i'm at home installing one of the them, ready to sysprep it onto the other machines at the end of the week. Here is my chance to load on whatever software is gonna make my life easier as network admin for the next 3 years - What should i put on? and What should i remove dictator style ??
    suggestions please!!

    thoughts so far:

    going on:

    i386
    office setup files
    tweakui
    cleartype (plenty of old ladies working here )
    firefox
    spacemonger
    vlc
    spybot
    process explorer
    foxit reader
    killbox



    [Office 2003 pro & norton corp 10 will be going on anyways as the licences were bought years ago]

    coming off:

    msn explorer
    messenger
    outlook express
    windows movie maker
    MS internet games

    Thankyou for all your thoughts!


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    theres an app that prints the host name, IP address, domain domain controller over the desktop background, cant recall the name but its mighty handy.

    Ghost Client, particulalry if youre using it as a package manager two. Office (which has its own equivalent of sysprep if youd rather install it as a package)

    All your windows updates, including whatever you need to get the local update server working

    .NET framework

    Flash, Shockwave, Quicktime (maybe not quicktime, depends how much you want to be the bofh) But flash & shockwave are essentials, just block games sites.

    A VNC server might be useful also, and as theyre going into a domain, ensure you dont join it first, and make sure to remove every trace of the windows firewall before sysprep, i spent about 2 days trying to figure out what group policy was turning it on, only to find it actually was held over on the image.

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    Aha, cheers for that very speedy response..you barely left me time to use the toilet

    ok, updates and flash are done. ill put on shockwave and framework [1,2 or 3 ??]

    question though: If i set it up so that "My Documents" saves to the server (and it's running exchange), why do i need to put a vnc server on the client pc's? if they wanna connect from home, wont they just wanna connect to the server?

    So you recommend removing the windows firewall..... is that because it's redundant behind a the router, or because it makes life difficult? at the moment ther isnt a 3rd party replacement firewall going on...just symantec AV 10.
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    Because its redundant and annoying, it screws up ghost, among other things.

    VNC is so you can
    a) snoop on people (probably not applicable in an office environment, my experience is in a school)
    b) fix things without getting up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by herulach View Post
    VNC is so you can

    b) fix things without getting up.

    ROFLMAO


    lol the girlfriend is glaring at me cos she cant hear little britain over me laughing

    actually, thats a very good idea - since i actually live 18 miles away from the office and will only have to go in when there's a problem. That could let me fix things from home

    ahh thats great.

    I wont be deploying ghost over the network though as i doubt they will want to pay all the licence fees. it's only for a poor little charity, you see. I'll just use one copy to spread the image around, manual, like.

    have added a few extras to the list above - have been reading Moby Dicks software thread....


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    I suppose firefox goes without saying really, as does open office, you dont want to be playing around with pirate software, particularly for a charity. Also, document everything, or at least most things, so if someone follows they can pick up rather than start from scratch, call it karma

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    lol, no it's not that small, we have proper office licences and an exchange server
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    Ah, a balance I've been trying to find since I started here.

    Personally I try to stick to the defaults when possible (eg WMP as the default player for media, and have VLC/Media Player Classic as an alternative). Firefox is fine, but personally I'd stick to IE7 as the default browser - you just open yourself up to a fair bit of leg-work (or VNCing!) in a corporate environment otherwise, I've found. Firefox is the default here at the moment, but I'll be making another image over the summer, and it will make way to IE7.

    As I hate Ghost, I'll recommend True Image over it first.

    Right.
    + Foxit (agreed)
    + FastStone Image Viewer (full-size image preview, and basic editor - better than the Windows default, and faster IMO)
    + Paint.NET (why use Paint?)
    + CD Images*
    + Google Earth (Why not! It's awesome! Maybe because I work in a school we're a little more open to these sort of things though)
    + ActiveSync?
    + ImgBurn
    + VNC as already mentioned
    + XviD or DivX (and/or FFDShow) if VLC isn't the default player - I really wouldn't use Codec packs in a domain environment... I wouldn't use them at any point ever in all of time personally...
    + QuickTime and Real Alternative - legally they're questionable, but a jail term is still better than Quicktime and RealPlayer
    + A Remote Desktop Client shortcut to the server... without passwords saved on it, obviously.

    Consider if you want to have Offline Files enabled or not - I've found it handy on laptops which will be used wirelessly, but it's just a faff on anything CAT5ed in my limited experience with it.

    * CD Images is a link I have to some backed-up CDs and DVDs on a server location. Rather than having a stockpile of disks, I back them up (Nero or whatever is fine for that), and install Daemon Tools, using the command line to mount virtual disks when they're needed, and unmounting them as part of the log-off script - deselect the 'Secure mode' option in DT after installing it, or it will ask every time you mount or unmount an image.

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    Funnelhead,

    Have you got a copy of the acceptable use of computers at the firm you've installed this at?. Before i'd do anything i'd personally want to look at what rules I should be enforcing based on this documentation.

    As for VNC, that very much depends on how you are going to get into the system, are you sure you aren't opening up security holes for the benefit of your convienence.

    There are other ways of looking at setting things like this up and i'd want to ensure i had something appropriate setup before installing VNC on all the machines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by this_is_gav View Post
    Ah, a balance I've been trying to find since I started here.

    Personally I try to stick to the defaults when possible (eg WMP as the default player for media, and have VLC/Media Player Classic as an alternative). Firefox is fine, but personally I'd stick to IE7 as the default browser - you just open yourself up to a fair bit of leg-work (or VNCing!) in a corporate environment otherwise, I've found. Firefox is the default here at the moment, but I'll be making another image over the summer, and it will make way to IE7.

    As I hate Ghost, I'll recommend True Image over it first.

    Right.
    + Foxit (agreed)
    + FastStone Image Viewer (full-size image preview, and basic editor - better than the Windows default, and faster IMO)
    + Paint.NET (why use Paint?)
    + CD Images*
    + Google Earth (Why not! It's awesome! Maybe because I work in a school we're a little more open to these sort of things though)
    + ActiveSync?
    + ImgBurn
    + VNC as already mentioned
    + XviD or DivX (and/or FFDShow) if VLC isn't the default player - I really wouldn't use Codec packs in a domain environment... I wouldn't use them at any point ever in all of time personally...
    + QuickTime and Real Alternative - legally they're questionable, but a jail term is still better than Quicktime and RealPlayer
    + A Remote Desktop Client shortcut to the server... without passwords saved on it, obviously.

    Consider if you want to have Offline Files enabled or not - I've found it handy on laptops which will be used wirelessly, but it's just a faff on anything CAT5ed in my limited experience with it.

    * CD Images is a link I have to some backed-up CDs and DVDs on a server location. Rather than having a stockpile of disks, I back them up (Nero or whatever is fine for that), and install Daemon Tools, using the command line to mount virtual disks when they're needed, and unmounting them as part of the log-off script - deselect the 'Secure mode' option in DT after installing it, or it will ask every time you mount or unmount an image.
    What do they want all that carp for?

    If it's an office machine they'll want MS Office (including Outlook for emails), IE, windows/IE being patched fully, Acrobat Reader, and that's pretty much it, unless they need other software such as Acrobat Writer, or others relating to their job (Visio, etc). Maybe Firefox if you think the users will like it
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    Well given that he mentioned VLC I assume the machines will get used for general use too. The only things listed there which has a process running in the background is ActiveSync and Daemon Tools, which he probably doesn't need anyway. It's not so much a list of things I recommend he installs, but things to consider given how we set things up here.

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    Hi guys, thanks for all the input! Yes, these machines will be mainly used for word/outlook/publisher/internet....but it is a fairly relaxed organisation because it's a charity, not commercial.

    and though i don't want to be seen as encouraging people to slack-off, they're quite welcome to browse the net during their munch hour; so id like everything to be fully functional. I WILL be disabling the internal speaker though, if they want sound they can plug in some headphones.

    I was also thinking about just having a load of diagnostic tools installed to the local Administrator acount, to make things easier down the road. eg tweakui, adapterwatch, spacemonger, a few data and password recovery tools (nirsoft etc...).

    gav:

    Interesting idea re: mounting images of tools across the network, but i think thats a little overkill in this scenario And besides, i like carrying my tools around - it makes me look like i'm doing something worth getting paid for

    active sync wont be needed as there aren't any mobile devices, and you're right about offline files.

    As for google Earth - it's a fun idea, but it would only take 2 people opening that up at once and the 8mb adsl would grind to a halt for everyone else... i'll link them to google maps though

    Quote Originally Posted by TiG View Post
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    Have you got a copy of the acceptable use of computers at the firm you've installed this at?.

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    No such thing as security policies here buddy, before i joined 3 months ago every password in the joint was "password" but i take your point that i should cover my arse by asking a "higher-up" if theres anything they dont want their staff do to. thanks!


    Quote Originally Posted by TiG View Post

    There are other ways of looking at setting things like this up and i'd want to ensure i had something appropriate setup before installing VNC on all the machines.

    TiG
    ok so you have left me with 2 questions....

    1. what would you suggest for remote desktop help? this side of things is new to me...

    2. whats the best way to make sure each users documents get backed up every night? At the moment all the "My Documents" folders point to their space on the server which gets backed up to tape each night. The 3 laptops have offline files enabled.

    thanks for all the help guys, it's doing a world of good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by funnelhead View Post
    1. what would you suggest for remote desktop help? this side of things is new to me...

    2. whats the best way to make sure each users documents get backed up every night? At the moment all the "My Documents" folders point to their space on the server which gets backed up to tape each night. The 3 laptops have offline files enabled.
    1. UltraVNC given the environment and that it's free (don't know about in a charity environment mind - best check that one). Remote Desktop Connection would be fine, but it's nice for the client to be able to see what's happening on the screen, so you can guide them and such, and I don't believe you can with RDC.

    2. Isn't the tape enough?

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    1. ok i'm confused now,so which is better - real vnc or ultra vnc ?

    2. Well thats the system i put in place in a hurry a couple of months ago on the old systems.... but being inexperienced i was wondering if i was doing it in an amateurish way?? Like maybe storing the files locally, then syncing them to the server upon logoff would be a better way?
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    1. RealVNC only has a personal version available for free, while UltraVNC does pretty much the same as the paid RealVNC and is free. My experience anyway. Like I said, I'm not sure how the license would work out in a non-personal environment, so check that out if you do head for the free RealVNC or UltraVNC. There are alternatives, but I've not used them sufficiently to recommend them - Symantec's pcAnywhere would be the obvious choice, but it's far from free.

    2. I'd just stick to having the documents on the server, personally. Unless it's critical that you can't lose a day's work between backups. There is syncing software out there (don't think Offline Files is particularly appropriate in this instance), but in my opinion it's just adding an extra complication.

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    Quote Originally Posted by herulach View Post
    theres an app that prints the host name, IP address, domain domain controller over the desktop background, cant recall the name but its mighty handy.

    http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sys...us/BgInfo.mspx

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