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    Question Linux bootloader troubles

    I have a bit of an odd drive setup and I think this is causing/has caused issues with installing a linux boot-loader.

    Drive config in BIOS order:

    SATA1 = 200GB Maxtor
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    SATA3 = 160GB Maxtor <--- set as boot drive and also where I have installed Linux
    Areca RAID Array
    eSATA External drive
    2 x USB memory sticks

    Now the linux install went fine but when it wrote the bootloader (LILO), it errored (can't remember what the error was) and now all I have is one options "Windows", which works fine and passes me over to the Vista boot loader.

    But, I have since tried re-installing linux 3 times to get linux as a bootable option, the really odd thing is that no matter what bootloader options I choose (last attempt I installed GRUB), the same LILO boot loader is presented to me and its driving me nuts

    I have managed to boot off of the install disk (opensuse 10.2 for x64) and choose "install > Other Options > Boot installed system" and the install works fine. Once in there, I can go into YAST and configure boot options. Again, no matter what I change, when I reboot I am still presented with the exact same LILO boot loader with the 1 option, "Windows"......

    What am I missing? I am guessing its one of the advanced bootloader options but I am pretty new to this and would appreciate any help
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    http://forums.hexus.net/showpost.php...87&postcount=1

    your system is trying to boot from a different drive to the one you think it is - probably SATA1. lilo will be on that drive's boot sector.

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    Is there anyway to re-configure LILO (or GRUB) to boot from SATA3 or do I have to re-arrange my drives?
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    *gag* Don't use LILO, it's a terrible bootloader (almost as bad as ntldr).

    Make OpenSuSE boot with grub, and post your grub.conf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aidanjt View Post
    *gag* Don't use LILO, it's a terrible bootloader (almost as bad as ntldr).

    Make OpenSuSE boot with grub, and post your grub.conf.
    Agreed - I'd recommend GRUB over LILO although I think you were a little harsh in your criticism of LILO... nothing is as bad as NTLDR!

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    Will try installing GRUB again tonight but I still don't know what I can do differently this time....

    The last 2 times I installed GRUB via the bootloader applet in YAST, the PC rebooted to the same LILO loader. For some reason it is not being updated/over-written...
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    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    Will try installing GRUB again tonight but I still don't know what I can do differently this time....

    The last 2 times I installed GRUB via the bootloader applet in YAST, the PC rebooted to the same LILO loader. For some reason it is not being updated/over-written...
    boot a windows install cd, go to the recovery console, and type "fixboot" then "fixmbr"

    that will ensure that your first drive is definitely "pristine" i.e. has no linuxy boot loaders on it

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    That isn't supported on Vista disks any more and doing it with XP will hose my vista boot loader.

    Is there no way within Linux (as I can get in via the install CD, it just takes a while) that I can blast the current LILO install or at least check to see what MBRs and partitions have bootloaders on?

    I am starting to think that the Acronis boot loader may be worth a look at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    That isn't supported on Vista disks any more and doing it with XP will hose my vista boot loader.

    Is there no way within Linux (as I can get in via the install CD, it just takes a while) that I can blast the current LILO install or at least check to see what MBRs and partitions have bootloaders on?

    I am starting to think that the Acronis boot loader may be worth a look at.
    whoops, forgot you were using vista

    it's a VERY hackish solution, but "sudo dd if=/dev/sdX bs=512 count=1 | strings" should reveal whether disk sdX does or doesn't have some kind of bootloader

    from within linux, what drives do what - i.e. of your SATA1, SATA2, SATA3, what do those drives appear as in linux?

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    Great, I will try that

    SATA 1-3 (as the ports are labelled on the motherboard) show as sda, sdb and sdc. Its as if linux is querying the controller and assigning drive ids by port number.

    I think this is at least partly the issue as the BIOS drive order is very different to the way the ports are labelled. I was expecting SATA3 (first boot device via bios) to appear as sda, not sdc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    Great, I will try that

    SATA 1-3 (as the ports are labelled on the motherboard) show as sda, sdb and sdc. Its as if linux is querying the controller and assigning drive ids by port number.

    I think this is at least partly the issue as the BIOS drive order is very different to the way the ports are labelled. I was expecting SATA3 (first boot device via bios) to appear as sda, not sdc.
    lilo will have installed itself to sda, i expect

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    Thanks for the help, bit the bullet in the end and swapped SATA1 and SATA3 around, this caused linux to fail to start but then did one more install with GRUB selected and everything is sweet as a nut now
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    vista does support fixboot and mbr , its just a differnt code

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    I've done it once in Vista but I could not find a recovery console and had to do it through the new repair GUI.......its no-where near as strait-forward as the old way and can require multiple reboots and repairs to fix.
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