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    SATA/PATA XP Install (quite possibly a silly question)

    Hello all.

    My old 120 gig HDD is crumbling under the amount of data that is on it and probably needs a full wipe and possibly retirement (rather than re-use). This HDD is PATA (IDE) and the replacement is a SATA HDD.

    I want to install the SATA HDD as a slave first of all so I can format it and partition it they way I want using the XP install on the PATA HDD. Next would be to move the data I need from the PATA to the SATA HDD. Then install XP on the new SATA HDD.

    Would any of you forsee any issues so far?

    Now if I keep the old 120 gig PATA HDD (prior to wiping to ensure I have captured everything I need off it), how do I go about setting boot sequence for the HDDs if the PATA HDD set to master and the SATA HDD is also set to master? Is this like dual boot or would PATA/SATA take priority?

    Just don't want to end up in a situation where I'm stuck trying to recover data from a HDD with no partition...(yes it has happened in the past before )

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    Re: SATA/PATA XP Install (quite possibly a silly question)

    sata dont do master and slave m8

    you have to set the boot drive in bios

    you will need to read the manual for that

    sometimes hitting F8 during the BIOS screen will give you a temp boot menu and it may be a good way round your problem ?

    or install new drive, slap the xp disk in and then check what drive your installing to. ( the empty one)

    you will end up with a dual boot pc until your ready to delete the original drive from the boot menu How to edit the Boot.ini file in Windows XP

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    Re: SATA/PATA XP Install (quite possibly a silly question)

    be VERY careful of installing windows when you have soon-to-be-removed drives plugged in. you'll likely put your MBR in the wrong place. reconnect the old drive afterwards, sure, but avoid multiple drives during install

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    Re: SATA/PATA XP Install (quite possibly a silly question)

    lol i just came running back to the thread when i thought of that..

    remove the old drive, install xp on the new one and put the old drive back in as slave and make sure bios knows what drive to boot from so you dont end up in the old operating system.

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    Re: SATA/PATA XP Install (quite possibly a silly question)

    Ahhh...

    Silly me, I've never used SATA before so what an elementary mistake to make!!!

    Think I'll need to play with BIOS tonight as the Abit manual doesn't clearly state all the boot options (if indeed PATA/SATA HDD boot sequences are separate).

    Thanks for the link on editing the Boot.ini file

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    Re: SATA/PATA XP Install (quite possibly a silly question)

    OK, so being the impatient sap I am, I installed said HDD, partitioned and formatted...

    1. I partitioned the drive into 5 partitions, approximately 93.15 GB. The first partition is primary, the other 4 is on an extended partiton with 4 logical partition (is that the right word?). Have I done this the correctly?

    2. Doing the above (through my current install on XP) won't be a problem for when I unjack all the other HDDs and install XP onto the new HDD?

    I checked BIOS and I can set HDD boot sequence.

    PS. I'm trying out 'Zak's weird partition theory' on the new HDD hence 5 partitions (unless again I have mis read the instructions/thread).

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    Re: SATA/PATA XP Install (quite possibly a silly question)

    windows installer will see the partitions during setup. shouldnt be an issue apart from remembering what one to install em on..

    5 ? why 5 if you dont mind me asking, your going to lose performance if you move files from 1 part' to another on the same drive.

    i only have 2 partitions and raid0 and am sick of it, going to go back to 2 seperate physical drives when the quad arrives next week.. and no partitions

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    Re: SATA/PATA XP Install (quite possibly a silly question)

    Well seeing as the HDD is new and blank, thought I'd partition it in 20% segments. Use the last 2 partitions for backup/rarely used files, first partition for OS and commonly used programs/data and the other two for whatever purposes that suits needs.

    Plus if I keep them below er...forgot the number...(149gigs ?) windows installer shouldn't bin the partition?

    I had that issue when I had my 200 gig HDD plugged in when installing windows on the 120 gig and windows installer deleted the partition on the 200 gig for some reason and had to retrieve the data through a long winded and tiresome process.

    [rant] Manufacturers always disappoint me....you buy a 500 gig HDD and it's really only 465, like my 200 is only 189...bah [/rant]

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    Re: SATA/PATA XP Install (quite possibly a silly question)

    nah it is 500gb, just not using windows calculations

    crap i know.

    just dont expect fast transfers across partitions on the same drive, you may find it slows you down if say booting involves the drive using 2 partitions due to you installing a few startup items on another partition, its got to thrap about back and forth grabbing the data from each part, when in all reality having all the startup items on 1 partition and running a boot time defrag would yield a faster startup as all the files would be next to each other (assuming there on the same platter after reading zak's thread.)

    and moving an iso sized file to another partition is a make a cup of tea, and watch the 1st half of eastenders affair for me sometimes.

    wasnt like that when i had 2 drives and no partitions.

    i dare say its the year old raid0 helping to slow things down as well due to bad sector reallocations and so on, but thats another can of worms it was slow doing big transfers from the start.

    oh i have 2 500gb drives in raid 0 with 2 partitions, bad idea i guess :s

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    Re: SATA/PATA XP Install (quite possibly a silly question)

    Oh I know to expect crap data transfer rates between partitions on same HDD. I'm a pretty unorganised person in terms of HDD space so having smaller segments will make me put all the same stuff in the same folder/partition.

    I always wanted to make a raid array but the more I research the less I want to try it out.

    If things go well I'll attempt to install XP on new HDD...er...at some point. Given up on rushing this...infact I've started moving data across onto it (backing up the 120 drive)...lets hope when the install comes round it doesn't suddenly 'lose' the partition.


    Give it a few weeks and I'll be bored of having 5 partitions!

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    Re: SATA/PATA XP Install (quite possibly a silly question)

    never dropped a partition like you said, lets hope it was a one off

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    Re: SATA/PATA XP Install (quite possibly a silly question)

    Ditto

    Actually just remembered. I'm used to formatting HDD through the installer but doing it through windows gave me "allocation" sizes. I left that at default but wondering if I should have changed that to a specified value...

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    Re: SATA/PATA XP Install (quite possibly a silly question)

    google it to see if you fancy reformatting one to a larger or smaller allocation size, if your storing a drive full of large files it may be worth it, but its set it to its general best and i dont think in every day use we would notice.

    just a few mb more or less overhead each way

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    Re: SATA/PATA XP Install (quite possibly a silly question)

    Remember you'll either need to slipstream your SATA drivers in to teh XP install or have the drivers available on a floppy disk. Otherwise XP will not 'see' the SATA drive.

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    Re: SATA/PATA XP Install (quite possibly a silly question)

    Quote Originally Posted by sleepyhead View Post
    Hello all.

    My old 120 gig HDD is crumbling under the amount of data that is on it and probably needs a full wipe and possibly retirement (rather than re-use). This HDD is PATA (IDE) and the replacement is a SATA HDD.

    I want to install the SATA HDD as a slave first of all so I can format it and partition it they way I want using the XP install on the PATA HDD. Next would be to move the data I need from the PATA to the SATA HDD. Then install XP on the new SATA HDD.

    Would any of you forsee any issues so far?

    Now if I keep the old 120 gig PATA HDD (prior to wiping to ensure I have captured everything I need off it), how do I go about setting boot sequence for the HDDs if the PATA HDD set to master and the SATA HDD is also set to master? Is this like dual boot or would PATA/SATA take priority?

    Just don't want to end up in a situation where I'm stuck trying to recover data from a HDD with no partition...(yes it has happened in the past before )
    Connect in SATA drive while pc on (assuming xp detects it) and install any controller drivers that are needed to make it work. If not detected add it in manually. Be sure to format your current C: before rebooting and disconnect it. Then partition it as you plan too and move any data over to SATA drive. Just make sure you remember which partition you want to install XP on so you don't wipe your data. To make sata first boot device if it's not default you have to select it in bios.

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    Re: SATA/PATA XP Install (quite possibly a silly question)

    Quote Originally Posted by GoNz0 View Post
    nah it is 500gb, just not using windows calculations

    crap i know.
    not true in any way, shape or form. It's down to the different ways that operating systems and hard drive manufacturers define a gigabyte (and has led to the more accurate term of gibibyte being used more in day to day use), along with the overhead of the file system in use. That and wasted space on the disk due to the minimum cluster size. And a load of other stuff no doubt, but it's certainly not "Windows Calculations".

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