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    Sun have bought MySQL

    Sun acquires MySQL

    Shouldn't mean too much, but may be interesting to anyone who uses MySQL. It'll probably result in faster development. So MySQL may gain a few extra features (where it's traditionally trailed behind commercial DBs) but that may come at the expense of size / simplicity (which are it's strongest selling points, after you consider that it's free).

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    Re: Sun have bought MySQL

    i wonder whether they'll drop connector/net

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    Re: Sun have bought MySQL

    who cares, postgre + ms sql are way better, and cheaper (postgre been FREE in the proper sense of the word).

    My SQL is a big pile of poo. Anyone who denounces referential integrety as un-neccessiry clearly should not be designing something that implies to be a SQL type product.
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    Re: Sun have bought MySQL

    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus View Post
    who cares, postgre + ms sql are way better, and cheaper (postgre been FREE in the proper sense of the word).

    My SQL is a big pile of poo. Anyone who denounces referential integrety as un-neccessiry clearly should not be designing something that implies to be a SQL type product.
    So that is why it is so successful and widely used?!!

    MySql does support referential integtrity in the innodb starage engine -

    MySQL AB :: MySQL 5.1 Reference Manual :: 12.2 Supported Storage Engines

    As for being cheaper, have you looked at the cost of MS sql server licenses recently?

    Sun's acquisition is likely to be a good thing for MySQL (and open source generally)
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    Re: Sun have bought MySQL

    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus View Post
    My SQL is a big pile of poo. Anyone who denounces referential integrety as un-neccessiry clearly should not be designing something that implies to be a SQL type product.
    I know at least one MSSQL application where they thought referential intergrity was pointless

    It's never a good sign when the support says "oh don't worry, if the value corrupts, you can just stick in the right one manually!"

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    Re: Sun have bought MySQL

    Sorry i'm with TA on this, MySQL is a joke of a product, up to revision 4 ish having no stored procedures.

    As for MSSQL licence cost, you tried SQLExpress 2005 and seen how it compares

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    Re: Sun have bought MySQL

    Before I answer, I'll point out I use MSSQL at work, and I like it, and MSSQL Express at home (which I also like), but...

    Quote Originally Posted by TiG View Post
    Sorry i'm with TA on this, MySQL is a joke of a product, up to revision 4 ish having no stored procedures.
    So use version 5???

    Quote Originally Posted by TiG View Post
    As for MSSQL licence cost, you tried SQLExpress 2005 and seen how it compares
    Express is great for home projects/geeking, but it's got a 4gb limit (IIRC) which is too puny for anything exciting. More to the point, I've searched (extensively) for web hosting with cheap MSSQL express DB's and they are very few and far between (and the one I signed with, the DB's been down for about 2 months, so I'm going to have to stump up the cash for full blown MSSQL hosting with a better company.

    The thing is. we're comparing chalk and cheese. If you want big and free, you'd probably go postgre I guess, if you want cheap and fun, you go with whatever your hosting company provide. If you want commercial support, licensing costs aren't an issue (if you're spendin £500,000 on the website development, £20,000 for a bunch of licenses and support sounds prudent, rather than expensive).
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    Re: Sun have bought MySQL

    Quote Originally Posted by peterb View Post
    So that is why it is so successful and widely used?!!

    MySql does support referential integtrity in the innodb starage engine -

    MySQL AB :: MySQL 5.1 Reference Manual :: 12.2 Supported Storage Engines

    As for being cheaper, have you looked at the cost of MS sql server licenses recently?

    Sun's acquisition is likely to be a good thing for MySQL (and open source generally)
    Aids and COBOL are widespread, its hardly good.

    A lead designer of mySql is widely (Correctly, as he was very vocal in this, before realising how much of a rubbishrubbishrubbishrubbish he was) quoted as saying refinteg is not a good idea (really!).

    They are very late to the party in every feature going, bug riddled, insecure........

    Its not even cheap, look at the cost of mysql for enterprise work, granted its cheaper than orical, but its a lot more expensive than mssql.

    So, un-reliable, not very good performance, expensive if you suddenly find your start up goes enterprise, and technologically dull. Can't see a single reason for it, except its commonly used.

    if thats your principle for choosing technology, your never going to be at full potential.

    oh and triggers.

    the only times i've used mysql is because its what is there. That dosen't mean i have to like it/advocate it.

    as for sun improving open source ness of something, hell even microsoft are more friendly to open source than they are (look at .Net CLR vrs Java byte code etc). All that might happen is a better java API.
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    Re: Sun have bought MySQL

    Horses for courses.

    MySQL is great for throwing together small web-apps that are cheap to host.

    MS SQL and Oracle are good for the enterprise (although I sometimes wonder about Oracle)

    MySQL does not have the features to be an enterprise product, most people know and accept it, maybe with sun at the wheel that could change (as well as the management environment for it!)
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    Re: Sun have bought MySQL

    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    Horses for courses.

    MySQL is great for throwing together small web-apps that are cheap to host.

    MS SQL and Oracle are good for the enterprise (although I sometimes wonder about Oracle)

    MySQL does not have the features to be an enterprise product, most people know and accept it, maybe with sun at the wheel that could change (as well as the management environment for it!)
    MS SQL is also great for small apps. The new in-process one is very useful, tiny footprint, very CPU effecient, free to re-distrabute. Has scaling path to enterprise sql server.

    Postgree is better for small websites too. Seriously if MySQL had never been, we'd hardly be worse off, its only because its snuggled up close to PHP (a truely horrific language for maintaince) thats its around, and i think testiment to how awful most "web designers/developers" are that its even around.
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