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    Is Acronis OS selector rubbish or is it just me?

    I've been trying for the past few days to make a Hackintosh.. so i partitioned my drive, installed OSX (apparently) and sorted it so that my pc would boot into windows normally. I then thought it might be an idea to try acronis' os selector software, since i was having problems booting into Leopard. Anyway, long story short, i figured it wasn't going to be that useful - disabled it - and then used Gparted to set my XP partition to boot again.

    Then came the problems. As soon as the windows bar loaded, i BSOD'd and restarted. This continued, and plugging in the XP disc and going into the recovery console didn't do much.

    - Bootcfg couldn't find anything
    - FixMBR failed to work
    - Fixboot failed to work

    Eventually after a couple of hours, running chkdsk /p /r got me to a state where i could view the directory tree. And even then my admin password wasn't working (this may be a separate problem however). Finally after a lot of fiddling, i cleared it all up and i'm now back in XP.

    Not happy though. What kind of software, by a relatively respectable company, effectively bricks your install by messing with your MBR?

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    Re: Is Acronis OS selector rubbish or is it just me?

    Silly question, why install OS X onto a computer that doesn't have the proper architecture? I know Macs are running Intel based processors and GFx cards but I don't think they're exactly the same...

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    Re: Is Acronis OS selector rubbish or is it just me?

    isn't OSX running on non-apple hardware illegal ?
    It is Inevitable.....


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    Re: Is Acronis OS selector rubbish or is it just me?

    Quote Originally Posted by ikonia View Post
    isn't OSX running on non-apple hardware illegal ?
    it's in violation of the EULA, certainly

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    Re: Is Acronis OS selector rubbish or is it just me?

    Quote Originally Posted by directhex View Post
    it's in violation of the EULA, certainly
    But what about the anti-trust issue?

    Thou in fairness, with not even a 1% share in its highest target countries, its hardly in a posistion of power to abuse.

    As for apple hardware, its intel, different BIOS (nothing that can't be emulated) and hardware normally made like any other PC manafacturer does. Cheapest bidder. Difference is a label gets slapped on.

    The problem is getting driver support, but as OSX dosen't really do *anything* theres little that you need to get a driver for (because you won't be using that graphics card for gaming).
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    Re: Is Acronis OS selector rubbish or is it just me?

    Quote Originally Posted by Whiternoise View Post
    Not happy though. What kind of software, by a relatively respectable company, effectively bricks your install by messing with your MBR?
    Other than what others have posted above, and I'll be upfront and admit that I've never used OS Selector myself but how exactly is it supposed to do what it sounds like it does (which to me is work as some kind of proprietary bootloader) without touching your MBR?

    I'll don my flame-retardant suit now and go and have a look at Acronis' website so I can get some real info now...

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    Re: Is Acronis OS selector rubbish or is it just me?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus View Post
    But what about the anti-trust issue?
    doubt that'd hold up in court. you can't generally run software for one device on a competitor's device without breaking the licenses somewhere

    though i'd love to see an anti-trust case brought against sky for forcing use of sky boxes (which sky italia are facing in italy)

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    Re: Is Acronis OS selector rubbish or is it just me?

    Hi i had problems when i installed Mac os X tiger (Jas version i think) on my pc using acronis os selector.

    This is how i got it to work

    Install mac osx on a seperate hdd (dual boooting works but might screw up your xp boot.)

    During the installtion select only the stuff u need for example:- Intel cpu kernel,Amd kernel,drivers etc

    I recommend u try it on a new seperate hdd (i use 60gb hdd)

    Remember installing mac on a pc is illegal.To be done for illustration purposes only

    edit
    Normal Mac OSX wont work on a pc.The one i have mentioned above has a new kernel which are compatible with non mac components.

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    Re: Is Acronis OS selector rubbish or is it just me?

    Ok, just been to the Acronis website and I think I've found your problem...

    Quote Originally Posted by http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/diskdirector/multibooting.html
    Supported operating systems
    DOS
    Windows 3.1 + DOS
    Windows 95
    Windows 98
    Windows ME
    Windows NT 3.1
    Windows NT 3.5
    Windows NT 3.51
    Windows NT 4.0
    Windows 2000
    Windows XP
    Windows Vista
    Linux (any distribution)
    FreeBSD
    Solaris
    SCO UNIX
    UNIXWARE
    OS/2
    BeOS
    QNX
    B-TRON
    Special support for unknown systems
    Despite supporting both QNX and B-TRON (who they?) I see no mention of Mac OS X. You can't complain about a piece of software that doesn't advertise that it can do something then goes on and isn't able to do it. Or at least I don't think it's reasonable to do so, anyways.

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    Re: Is Acronis OS selector rubbish or is it just me?

    Quote Originally Posted by directhex View Post
    doubt that'd hold up in court. you can't generally run software for one device on a competitor's device without breaking the licenses somewhere
    Its been suggested that its stupid for MS to allow windows to be run on a mac, be it in parrallels or bootcamp. I do understand the rational, its better to force people to not consider the competitors options at all, rather than as it stands provide it as a useful transion stage.

    But that would obviously be market abuse.

    One could say that WINE has often been reminded of this by MS perviously coming down heavy handed on people who where (in fairness) using windows illegally (normally not licensed) to make it seam like any use of WINE would have questionable legality.
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    Re: Is Acronis OS selector rubbish or is it just me?

    I had this problem before i tried to install as well. I've also googled this problem, and it appears that it's not isolated. In any case, all it appears to do is select which partition to boot from when you load up, and to make things easier if you have a myriad of OS's on your system. I'm not moaning that it doesn't support OSX, i'm moaning that when i tried to DISABLE the selector from the bootup menu, it then refused to let me boot Windows and corrupted my MBR.

    @Splash, i can see what you mean, it's got to touch the MBR, but it shouldn't - for lack of a better word - break it.

    And i've emailed Apple about this one, the response is that it's not illegal, but they won't support it if it screws your computer. FWIW, leopard installed fine (minus a few drivers), and i'd rather not lead this thread into murky areas regarding legality. I think this is a topic for somewhere else, but a lot of people were talking about Pystar's new Open Computers that were basically marketed as barebones Hackintoshes. One of the main arguments, amidst the typical fanboy flaming, was that the EULA is an implied agreement rather than legal doctrine. In that if you have a legal copy of the OS - ie bought from Apple - it wouldn't necessarily be illegal. As i said though, i'd rather not take the discussion that way. Certainly Apple appears to be doing nothing about the huge user base that's fiddling mac onto "normal" hardware.
    Last edited by Whiternoise; 16-04-2008 at 04:07 PM.

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    Re: Is Acronis OS selector rubbish or is it just me?

    Before you tried to install what? AOS or MacOS? Your original post suggests that the issues only started after installing OSX is all.

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    Re: Is Acronis OS selector rubbish or is it just me?

    Except in this case he is running the Apple OS on a PC architecture, not the other way round. MS don't own any rights to the PC architecture - do apple own rights to their architecture? A few years ago I might have thought yes, however the UEFI alliance that controls the EFI specification is a not-for-profit organisation that includes Apple and MS (and Intel and a few others) so it woukld appear to be an open standard.

    That doesn't prevent Apple or MS from writing into their EULAs a prohibition to stop you from running the software on a platform for which it was not designed, or for employing technoical measures such as TPM - although I don't think Apple ever adopted that other than on early machines - but I may be wrong.

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    Re: Is Acronis OS selector rubbish or is it just me?

    Quote Originally Posted by Whiternoise View Post
    I had this problem before i tried to install as well. I've also googled this problem, and it appears that it's not isolated. In any case, all it appears to do is select which partition to boot from when you load up, and to make things easier if you have a myriad of OS's on your system. I'm not moaning that it doesn't support OSX, i'm moaning that when i tried to DISABLE the selector from the bootup menu, it then refused to let me boot Windows and corrupted my MBR.
    As I suspected, it's just A N Other Bootloader then? If you disable your bootloader does that not a broken bootlader make? Or am I missing the point?

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    Re: Is Acronis OS selector rubbish or is it just me?

    But i didn't disable it per se, it's marketed as a selector, not as a bootlooader. I just ticked the box saying "don't run next time i boot up", assuming that that'd mean i would boot into the default active partition. I couldn't even get back into the selector screen.

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    Re: Is Acronis OS selector rubbish or is it just me?

    it still needs a boot loader to be active on the MBR to boot into the active partition.

    I assume by disabling the boot loader you in effect disable your MBR ? (I've never sed this stuff)
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