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    Getting SATA

    Did a fresh installation of XP Pro slipstreamed with SP3 last week. After installing all the drivers, apps etc. it's running nicely.

    Thing is, I didn't load the SATA/RAID drivers via F6 from the floppy, so the HDD is running in 'UDMA mode6 (ATA-133)'.

    It's an Asus board, SB600 chip. Is there any way of installing drivers for SATA (enabling AHCI in the BIOS causes BSOD on boot) now or is it a BFLN (bit late now)?

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    Re: Getting SATA

    I think Mode 6 in general means >ATA-100.

    Interestingly enough, in HDTune, my Seagate shows ATAPI-7 - SATA II with UDMA Mode 6, while my another WD SATA150 drive shows ATAPI-6 - SATA I with UDMA Mode 5 (Which is not unusual since old WD SATA drives have a bridge chip)

    AT Attachment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Wiki shows ATAPI-7 for SATA150 (Refer to those without a bridge chip). The rule seems to apply to SATA300 too. So there is nothing to worry about.
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    Re: Getting SATA

    Thanks for the info. and link.

    Looking in HD Tune, mine is shown as ATA/ATAPI-7 - SATA II
    Supported: UDMA Mode 7
    Active: UDMA Mode 6

    Benchmark runs at 60MB/s - is this a bit slow? The older SATA I HD gives the same result.

    The BIOS mentions IDE (just off to check - back soon)
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    Re: Getting SATA

    Noooo, that's average. The only real difference SATAII made was adding extra potential bandwidth for burst cache reads. Here's the read performance for my raptors:

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     Timing cached reads:   6912 MB in  2.00 seconds = 3460.25 MB/sec
     Timing buffered disk reads:  206 MB in  3.01 seconds =  68.39 MB/sec
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    Re: Getting SATA

    Ah, OK, I didn't know what to expect.

    Just looked in the BIOS:

    onboard SATA type: IDE controller

    RAID and AHCI won't work.

    Bit disappointed that the SATA II HD doesn't seem any quicker in opening progs. than the SATA I is.
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    Re: Getting SATA

    Yeah, RAID and ACHI will only work if you load the proper drivers from floppy during 'F6' part of XP Install. There's ways of changing controller interface type on an existing install, but I never tried them and I can't say how safe it would be.
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    Re: Getting SATA

    Any pointers please? I've spent ages searching and can't find anything [that I can understand]. Did see one lengthy method that lost me about half way through.

    I didn't slipstream in the drivers at F6 as I wanted the CD to be fairly generic.
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    Re: Getting SATA

    Sorry, I'd have a better chance of pointing you in the right direction if you put a blindfold on me and spun me around for awhile. What I do know is Windows handles boot disk controller changes very very poorly in a not so well documented manner.

    Even if the physical controller is the same, changing between IDE (Legacy), RAID, and ACHI modes presents a different control interface to Windows and it needs different drivers for the different modes, where Windows falls flat on it's face. Someone may come along who's more patient and better versed at sifting through the endless list of MS KB articles than I.

    To be honest, to save headaches in searching for a solution and less predictable behaviour, I'd either dust off a floppy drive and hook it up for the install, or slip stream the drivers using nLite or what not.
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    Re: Getting SATA

    backup everything thats important, your changing the way the OS will see the disc, i can't emphasis this enough.

    HOWTO: enable AHCI mode after installing Windows - PC Perspective Forums

    has a convoluted method of doing it, might be nescicery for some circumstances.

    I've found, extract the driver for the controller, right click on the *.inf choose install. Hard power off, Power on, enter BIOS enabled ACHI, bobs your unkle, fanny's your aunt, the system works fine.

    The problem comes in how the operating system 'escalates' the inferface. When you first boot from the BIOS in the old way windows does (mac's utalise a much better way) you have to talk down right at the oldest standards, enabling each level bit by bit. (if your intrested, i think Bona Fide OS Development Tutorials now contains all the old tutorials i learnt when playing about with this, the original website is now down ) The problem comes if the OS lacks the driver it needs to actually communicate with the controller once its de-activated the old interface method.

    aidajnt, the knowledge bases aren't really the best place to get this info, MS have this horrible seperation of the MSDN the *DK (* Developer Kit) and the KB. Really stupidly half the time its documented in MSDN, examples in the DK and KB! but check:
    has explaination of how the NTLDR looks for hard drives, and how controllers get assigned ordinals.
    throw new ArgumentException (String, String, Exception)

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    Re: Getting SATA

    Quite honestly, until I do another re-install, I'll stick with what I have. The PC Perspective forum covers Intel; mine's ATI/SB600, so I be very wary of trying to edit that .reg file to point it at something else.

    Thanks for all the pointers - one bit I found seemed to show a way of booting from a USB stick. If it works it'll save burning CDs whilst trying various nLite configs. for XP.
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