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    Ubuntu (server) - a couple of questions.

    Hello,

    I've just completed setting up my Ubuntu server using this guide. It works, it's great in fact but I just had a few queries as I'm not familiar with linux.

    I went through pages 1 & 2 without any confusion at all and ignored Configure The Network on page 3 as my router issues the server's ip-address using the network cards mac-address.

    When I came to Install The Second Hard Disk I had to change the suggested line to be added to fstab from:

    Code:
    /dev/hda1 /media/store ntfs defaults 0 0
    To:

    Code:
    /dev/hda1 /media/store ntfs forced 0 0
    Otherwise I received an error that the disk was in-use and would therefore fail to mount. Was I right to replace defaults with forced? And should I be working toward solving the problem allowing me to use defaults or should I simply leave it as-is? Initially without the use of forced it mounted media/store to the system disk - why would it do this when the second disk isn't present?

    Configure Samba: It instructed me to add the user family (example given) allowing me to access my file server from Internet Explorer. I created the user, using the adduser function and added the account to Samba. Do I need this user? I tried to access the server from Internet Explorer using the address but I wasn't presented with a username/password prompt as expected, simply a 404. I don't plan on accessing the server from Internet Explorer, shall I delete this user (not that it works anyway)?

    I added an additional line and edited an existing line within smb.conf as another reader of the guide suggested it wouldn't work without these changes:

    Quote Originally Posted by typo ?
    add

    guest ok = yes

    change

    force group = no group

    to

    force group = nogroup
    Was I right to make these changes, they appear to be necessary (as I couldn't access the share without these changes) but are there any consequences as a result of adding them?

    I never managed to get the Beep software to work and experienced the same problems as another reader of the guide mentioned:

    Quote Originally Posted by greeky
    Can you confirm the command to create the BEEP function? You have instructed to create this file:

    vi /et/rc.load

    It would not let me create that. I assumed you meant /etc/ and not /et/ and tried again, but i hear nothing after a reboot. Otherwise, everything went smoothly. Thanks!
    Does anyone knows why it doesn't work and if not is there an alternative?

    I've now copied all of my files over to the server, everything is acessible but it's also deletable. I gather linux doesn't have a recycling bin equivalent and I'd therefore like to change certain folders to readable only - how can I do this?

    Lastly, I simply map the network drive from within windows and don't require any authentication details at all? That doesn't really bother me but should that be the case and why is this the case? How would I go about restricting access to a specific user account If I changed my mind?

    Thanks guys.

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    Re: Ubuntu (server) - a couple of questions.

    Quote Originally Posted by just_laze View Post
    When I came to Install The Second Hard Disk I had to change the suggested line to be added to fstab from:

    Code:
    /dev/hda1 /media/store ntfs defaults 0 0
    To:

    Code:
    /dev/hda1 /media/store ntfs forced 0 0
    Otherwise I received an error that the disk was in-use and would therefore fail to mount. Was I right to replace defaults with forced? And should I be working toward solving the problem allowing me to use defaults or should I simply leave it as-is?
    Oh dear, no you should never use the 'forced' option, unless you really, really, really..... really know what you're doing. The reason why fstab fail to mount /dev/hda1 is because it's probably your root partition, if your second disk is what you want to mount for your storage partition/disk, it's likely that's called /dev/hdb1 or /dev/sdb1.

    Quote Originally Posted by just_laze View Post
    Initially without the use of forced it mounted media/store to the system disk - why would it do this when the second disk isn't present?
    As above, you picked the wrong partition for /media/storage, use parted to check the partitions on your hard drives, for e.g.:

    Code:
    aidan-lappy:~ # parted /dev/sda print all
    Model: ATA WDC WD1200BEVS-2 (scsi)
    Disk /dev/sda: 120GB
    Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
    Partition Table: msdos
    
    Number  Start   End     Size    Type     File system  Flags
     1      32.3kB  2007MB  2007MB  primary               , , , , , , , , , type=82, ,
     2      2007MB  18.0GB  16.0GB  primary  reiserfs     boot, , , , , , , , , type=83, ,
     3      18.0GB  120GB   102GB   primary  xfs          , , , , , , , , , type=83, ,
    As you can see the SATA disk in my laptop has 120GB capacity, and my root partition for my distro has a 16GB capacity, and 102GB for my /home partition. So, lets say I didn't have a /home partition before, but /home resided on /, when it comes to mounting my new home partition, i'd use /dev/sda3 or if it was on another disk, I'd mount /dev/sdb1 (assuming no other partitions on the disk), and edit /etc/fstab accordingly.

    Quote Originally Posted by just_laze View Post
    Configure Samba: It instructed me to add the user family (example given) allowing me to access my file server from Internet Explorer. I created the user, using the adduser function and added the account to Samba. Do I need this user? I tried to access the server from Internet Explorer using the address but I wasn't presented with a username/password prompt as expected, simply a 404. I don't plan on accessing the server from Internet Explorer, shall I delete this user (not that it works anyway)?
    If you're the only person that uses the server, then your own user account is fine for accessing samba via Windows Explorer.

    Quote Originally Posted by just_laze View Post
    I added an additional line and edited an existing line within smb.conf as another reader of the guide suggested it wouldn't work without these changes:

    Was I right to make these changes, they appear to be necessary (as I couldn't access the share without these changes) but are there any consequences as a result of adding them?
    Yeah, 'nogroup' is the correct group. Although I wouldn't add 'guest ok' unless you really want randomers being able to read the files on your samba server.

    Quote Originally Posted by just_laze View Post
    I never managed to get the Beep software to work and experienced the same problems as another reader of the guide mentioned:

    Does anyone knows why it doesn't work and if not is there an alternative?
    Don't know why in Ubuntu's case, I never bothered with it personally, you need to ask yourself it it's worth the hassle for a few beeps when you start your home-brew server, since the startup time is usually in about a minute, you can use your best judgement as to when you can start accessing the samba shares, also you should ask yourself will you bother turning it off frequently enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by just_laze View Post
    I've now copied all of my files over to the server, everything is acessible but it's also deletable. I gather linux doesn't have a recycling bin equivalent and I'd therefore like to change certain folders to readable only - how can I do this?
    The 'Recycle Bin' is a feature of desktop environments, not the underlying operating system, and as the same with Windows, the 'recycle bin' doesn't work with remote shares. Also, as above, you really don't want to globally allow guests, fine tuning samba permissions can be a bit of a pain, but ideally you should only add the 'guest ok' configuration option to specific shares you don't mind others reading, and add 'guest write = no'.

    Quote Originally Posted by just_laze View Post
    Lastly, I simply map the network drive from within windows and don't require any authentication details at all? That doesn't really bother me but should that be the case and why is this the case? How would I go about restricting access to a specific user account If I changed my mind?
    This is a feature of Windows, if your samba username/password and windows username/password are the same, Windows can authenticate a samba share using your desktop login details, and thus automatically map the shares. Also, a share that allows guests wont need any authentication details to automatically map.

    Any more questions and I'll be around, although no colours next time please?.. They make me blind
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    Re: Ubuntu (server) - a couple of questions.

    Hello!

    Thank you for your detailed reply.

    I definitely mounted sdb1 to /meda/store, as written in my fstab:

    Code:
    /dev/sdb1       /media/store    ntfs defaults 0 0
    It appeared to mount to the system disk when the mounting of sdb1 failed (which later resulted in me using the forced option). I've now removed the forced option (as you can see above) and it's still working, so it must have been a minor hiccup for whatever reason.

    I've removed the option 'guest ok = yes' and added 'guest write = no' as an extra precaution but I'm still able to map the drive, read and write to it, without entering any user credentials. The account I'm using within windows does not exist on the server - what's going on?

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    Re: Ubuntu (server) - a couple of questions.

    Can I have a copy of your current smb.conf and the output of `mount && parted l /dev/hda' (without the backticks) please?
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    Re: Ubuntu (server) - a couple of questions.

    I couldn't figure out how to select the entire file's contents from within nano so I copied the part I thought you'd be most interested in:

    Code:
    [share]
    comment = Public Folder
    path = media/store
    public = yes
    writable = yes
    create mask = 0777
    directory mask = 0777
    force user = nobody
    force group = nogroup
    guest write = no

    This is the complete output as a result of the command you gave:

    Code:
    /dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro)
    proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
    /sys on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
    varrun on /var/run type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=0755)
    varlock on /var/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=1777)
    udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
    devshm on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
    devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
    /dev/sdb1 on /media/store type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,noatime,allow_other,blksize=4096)
    securityfs on /sys/kernel/security type securityfs (rw)
    GNU Parted 1.7.1
    Using /dev/sda
    Welcome to GNU Parted! Type 'help' to view a list of commands.

    This is what fdisk -l reports:

    Code:
    Disk /dev/sda: 41.1 GB, 41110142976 bytes
    255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 4998 cylinders
    Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
    Disk identifier: 0x000ecc1d
    
       Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
    /dev/sda1   *           1        4813    38660391   83  Linux
    /dev/sda2            4814        4998     1486012+   5  Extended
    /dev/sda5            4814        4998     1485981   82  Linux swap / Solaris
    
    Disk /dev/sdb: 1000.2 GB, 1000204886016 bytes
    255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 121601 cylinders
    Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
    Disk identifier: 0xbab28038
    
       Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
    /dev/sdb1               1      121601   976760001    7  HPFS/NTFS
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    Re: Ubuntu (server) - a couple of questions.

    Ok, I have a ton of wiring to do right now, but I'll get back to you and I'll help you tighten up your samba configuration. In the meantime, directhex and peterb may come along and give you useful pointers. The main thing for now is 'public = yes' is an alias for 'guest ok = yes', so that can go as well. It's a bit of a pain with samba configuration, there's too many juped variables which makes it extra confusing.
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    Re: Ubuntu (server) - a couple of questions.

    Ah - I have noticed there are several commands throughout linux that do the same thing or something ever-so-slightly different... Someone should probably get on that and clear it up, heh. ;-)

    I've changed public to no, well removed it actually, and replaced it with 'guest ok = no' just to add consistency as I've also used 'guest write = no'.

    I'm now only able to access the server using the account I created (in my case 'leech'), I had to create the same account with the same password on my windows machines, but can see how that makes sense. I'm guessing on a domain, where all accounts are stored centrally there wouldn't be this requirement, but it doesn't bother me. I changed the writable flag to 'no' too.

    Thanks for your help so far. :-)

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    Re: Ubuntu (server) - a couple of questions.

    if you use the "map network drive" option in windows, you can connect to a share as a different user (who might not exist on the local machine):


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    Re: Ubuntu (server) - a couple of questions.

    I tried that.

    //mr-server/leech
    password

    It didn't work. I'm pretty sure you can only connect using accounts that aren't local in a domain environment.

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    Re: Ubuntu (server) - a couple of questions.

    Find the ### Authentication ### section make sure its set to...
    Code:
    security = user
    also make sure that it is set to

    Code:
    ; guest account = nobody
    Code:
    writable = yes
    path = /path/to/directory
    public = no
    guest ok = no
    guest only = no
    ; guest account = nobody
    browsable = no
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    Re: Ubuntu (server) - a couple of questions.

    the folder example above is fairly specific. it should be \\servername\sharename

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    Re: Ubuntu (server) - a couple of questions.

    ...

    Tools > Map Network Drive

    Drive: W
    Folder: \\mr-server\share

    Connect using a different user name.

    User name: \\mr-server\leech
    Password: password

    It does not work, it tells me the user does not exist?

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    Re: Ubuntu (server) - a couple of questions.

    Quote Originally Posted by just_laze View Post
    ...

    Tools > Map Network Drive

    Drive: W
    Folder: \\mr-server\share

    Connect using a different user name.

    User name: \\mr-server\leech
    Password: password

    It does not work, it tells me the user does not exist?

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    he doesn't. the username is "leech".

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    Re: Ubuntu (server) - a couple of questions.

    Quote Originally Posted by directhex View Post
    the folder example above is fairly specific. it should be \\servername\sharename
    sorry, this is correct.
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    Re: Ubuntu (server) - a couple of questions.

    The user leech exists on the server, although I followed the guide, I didn't follow it to the letter. Rather than family, I created a user named leech - he exists.

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      • Memory:
      • 64GB G.Skill Trident Z RGB
      • Storage:
      • 2TB Seagate Firecuda 520
      • Graphics card(s):
      • EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra
      • PSU:
      • EVGA SuperNOVA 850W G3
      • Case:
      • NZXT H210i
      • Operating System:
      • Ubuntu 20.04, Windows 10
      • Monitor(s):
      • LG 34GN850
      • Internet:
      • FIOS

    Re: Ubuntu (server) - a couple of questions.

    Quote Originally Posted by just_laze View Post
    The user leech exists on the server, although I followed the guide, I didn't follow it to the letter. Rather than family, I created a user named leech - he exists.

    laze.
    yeah. so the username is "leech". the username isn't "\\mr-server\leech", because you didn't make a user named "\\mr-server\leech"

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