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    Justify Moving to Vista

    So,

    Does anyone remember the resistance that existed when poeple were moving to XP when it first came out.

    I am ordering a new rig, and I have given this serious consideration, and I would like anyone to justify, at this time, why they think moving to vista makes sense.

    Xp is mature, stable, compatable and rock solid.

    So what reason is there to move?????

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    Re: Justify Moving to Vista

    One reason will be that XP is near or at EOL, so it'll be more-or-less static from here on, whereas Vista is where the effort will be. Sooner or later, we'll find that things are written for Vista and might not even work with XP, especially low-level tools. As time goes on, XP will get less and less used, and less and less supported. We may be some way off that situation yet, but it's coming. How many new tools, or even hardware drivers, are currently coming out for W2K or Win98? Well, that's the future for XP.

    We'll all end up jumping in at some point. The only question is .... is that point yet? And if you've got to buy a new OS anyway (perhaps because the old one was OEM and not transferable), now might be the time.

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    Re: Justify Moving to Vista

    There have been many discussions on this in recent months. If you are building/buying a new computer, then the feeling is you might as well go for Vista - unless you are running any legacy software - or hardware that doesn't have and is unlikely to get, Vista drivers.

    The case for upgrading is less clear. If you have XP and it works, and Vista gives you no specific capability that you don't need (or want) then there is no point in upgrading. (I still use Win2K - it still does what I need it to do).

    Probably the more relevant questuion would be 32 bit or 64 bit...
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    Re: Justify Moving to Vista

    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo1870 View Post
    So,

    Does anyone remember the resistance that existed when poeple were moving to XP when it first came out.
    Yup, and with every new MS OS too!

    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo1870 View Post
    I am ordering a new rig, and I have given this serious consideration, and I would like anyone to justify, at this time, why they think moving to vista makes sense.
    For a new system, not going Vista doesn't make much sense to me - it's not a cost issue with a new build (in most cases) I guess.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo1870 View Post
    Xp is mature, stable, compatable and rock solid.
    Vista is pretty much all of those things now - and more stable by design too. XP's geriatric now, bless it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo1870 View Post
    So what reason is there to move?????
    What reason is there to stay with XP? The only ones i can think of are:
    a: I've got an XP licence and I don't want to spend the money
    b: I've got ancient hardware with crappy out of date drivers that don't work with vista
    c: as above for software.
    d: i've got an eee pc or somesuch.

    Don't believe the hype - try it for yourself.

    I really think MS ought to do a 30day free download of Vista just to let people make an informed choice. Justify sticking with XP. If you can, do so - but make sure it's based on fact!
    Last edited by dangel; 25-07-2008 at 05:12 PM.
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    Re: Justify Moving to Vista

    Quote Originally Posted by dangel View Post
    I really think MS ought to do a 30day free download of Vista just to let people make an informed choice. Justify sticking with XP. If you can, do so - but make sure it's based on fact!
    While they may not do the download (hell they might, although I've never seen it), you can install Vista without a serial number and test it for a certain length of time before it locks itself and requires a valid serial umber to unlock and activate.
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    Re: Justify Moving to Vista

    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    While they may not do the download (hell they might, although I've never seen it), you can install Vista without a serial number and test it for a certain length of time before it locks itself and requires a valid serial umber to unlock and activate.
    ..which is what prompted me to suggest it. You can't "legally" get hold of the DVD though and therein lies the missed opportunity. Being able to install without a key is REALLY handy as well - as I simply cut and paste them in once i'm on the internet on the PC and connected to my MSDN account.
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    Re: Justify Moving to Vista

    One very good justification for Vista is proper 64bit support. XP64 was never very well supported by drivers or software.

    Being able to address more than 4GB or RAM is becoming more and more important, ecpecially with high end graphics cards coming with up to 1GB RAM. Have a couple of those in there in SLI configuration and you can only have 2GB of actual system RAM accessable with a 32bit OS.

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    Re: Justify Moving to Vista

    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo1870 View Post
    So,

    Does anyone remember the resistance that existed when poeple were moving to XP when it first came out.

    I am ordering a new rig, and I have given this serious consideration, and I would like anyone to justify, at this time, why they think moving to vista makes sense.

    Xp is mature, stable, compatable and rock solid.

    So what reason is there to move?????

    Pablo of the Esco's


    I think you'll find vista is one sexy beast why would you not leave that old cow that's xp.

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    Re: Justify Moving to Vista

    I recently upgraded to Vista home premium x64 and I cannot fault it.

    All the my hardware was fully compatible and installing the drivers was a piece of cake.

    I also think the aero style looks very nice and im very happy with its format.

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    Re: Justify Moving to Vista

    I've been running Vista Ultimate x64 on my rig for a few months and i don't think it deserves the slagging it's got. There are annoyances but nothing that makes me want to uninstall it.
    I kept XP to dual boot, just in case there was stuff that didn't work and so far there's been 2 things :

    My Canon N1240U Scanner that didn't get any 64bit drivers released so i bought a new one.

    Adobe Premiere Elements 3, although there was a compatibility update release by MS, on my machine once i got past the welcome screen it would lock up and take vista with it.
    So i uninstalled it and put it on under XP

    TBH i've not really felt the need to boot XP much, i've installed a few older games that i didn't expect to play nicely with Vista, Starforce protected ones mainly as i'd rather not have Vista trashed by them.

    I like the way Vista works better with media files and how things just seem to be more stable with it.
    If my ATI drivers crash mid game then Vista tends to recover and the game continues, if a game crashes i can actually alt-tab out of it or ctrl-alt-del to get to task mgr and kill it. Under XP that used to mean hitting the reset button more often that not i thought.

    I think there's also benefits people don't always notice, the pre-loading of common apps does work, for me it's WoW, the startup time for that is a good 20secs faster under Vista than XP ever was on the same hardware.

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    Re: Justify Moving to Vista

    tbh i find hard that even though xp will be EOL drivers and so forth, drivers and software will still be written a long long time after that.

    what kind of percentage have XP now.... if your releasing a product say next year, would you lock out the biggest percentage of the OS currently being used most?

    and then you have windows 7 or whatever is is being released in 2010 or 12... which is kinda hard to predict about its impact on both XP & Vista.

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    Re: Justify Moving to Vista

    The logic seems sound, it will take quite a while for the mass of the market to migrate accross.

    Added to this is the additional hardware costs that will be incurred if users are to make even a half decent use of vista ( e.g a minmum of 4gb to have a responsive system). With the new cores comming out by the end of this year, and the premium they will be priced at, give the increased production cost of each unit. I think it will take time for people to move accross,

    I think vista is gonna come next year for the mainstay of the market.
    Problem is you buy components and within 3 months its become a mid spec machine.

    Oh well, does anyione know the month where XP goes EOL?

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    Re: Justify Moving to Vista

    4gb minimum? Are you having a laugh? It'll play along quite happily on a hell of a lot less than half of that for most.

    32-bit XP apparently went EOL on the 1st July. It's still available from Scan, so perhaps it's just existing stock that's being shifted now. Or maybe it's only the Retail license versions which are vanishing initially.

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    Re: Justify Moving to Vista

    There's a lot of negativity around Vista for no good reason, just like every other MS release for the last decade.

    Microsoft lies to XP users—and they start to love Vista Case and point, tell people it isn't vista and they suddenly change their mind about it.

    I've been using Home Premium since just after release, apart from nvidia dropping the ball with 8 series cards when they launched(now long forgotten history), it's been rock solid.

    If you're planning a new rig with any kind of power 4GB is is well worth it, and incredibly cheap now(£50-ish). With 4gb comes the need for x64. XP64 vs Vista x64 is no competition.

    No, it's not worth buying Vista just to put on an old XP machine but, on a new build it's pointless going for XP. Unless you already have a piece of indispensable hardware/software that isn't compatible which is a bit rare tbh. Especially for home use.

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    Re: Justify Moving to Vista

    Quote Originally Posted by this_is_gav View Post
    4gb minimum? Are you having a laugh? It'll play along quite happily on a hell of a lot less than half of that for most.
    Indeed, I'm running currently on 1gb cos my RAM broke. I went from 2 to 4gb, and there wasn't that much difference. It works on 1gb, but isn't very responsive - however the fact that it pre-loads commonly used apps helps alot.

    I've had no real problems with vista. My internet sometimes cuts out, but whether this is vista or not is debateable.

    SP1 ironed most of the problems out, so you might aswell go for it if you are upgrading machine.

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