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    Re: Vista is like a marriage!??!

    Well, I actually turned it down right from the beginning due to one major problem, If I ran a self extracting executable, lets say of 2gb volume, it would not start and neither would the UAC dialog box come up, because it would first extract the whole file in the background, to C drive, and after that it showed the UAC dialog, was highly annoying, but also programs like riva tuner and other utilities wouldnt run at startup, and you had to click yes yes yes all the time

    As for an application wanting admin rights, I have spybot installed, its a great application, notifies you everytime an application actually is trying to make a change in the file system or registry and blocks it unless you agree, its dialog boxes come up less frequently than the UAC....I think after so many years, I know what im doing when im running an executable, I dont want to wait and delay it...just how i feel..
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    Re: Vista is like a marriage!??!

    Quote Originally Posted by Hunain View Post
    Well, I actually turned it down right from the beginning due to one major problem, If I ran a self extracting executable, lets say of 2gb volume, it would not start and neither would the UAC dialog box come up, because it would first extract the whole file in the background, to C drive, and after that it showed the UAC dialog, was highly annoying, but also programs like riva tuner and other utilities wouldnt run at startup, and you had to click yes yes yes all the time

    As for an application wanting admin rights, I have spybot installed, its a great application, notifies you everytime an application actually is trying to make a change in the file system or registry and blocks it unless you agree, its dialog boxes come up less frequently than the UAC....I think after so many years, I know what im doing when im running an executable, I dont want to wait and delay it...just how i feel..
    Overall awnser, disable the popups? Its not hard.

    But going into detail, i didn't think it copied the executeable at all, enless i'm much mistaken (and its a while since i watched http://channel9.msdn.com/shows/Going...-What-How-Why/) it wouldn't make sense, and my "must be bollocks" detector has gone off. Heres why. If it did that it would screw up the whole concept of the path resolution.

    Now if you try and open a 2GB executable on ANY version on NT, it will HAVE to be loaded in its ENTIREITY into memory, quite possibly re-based too. Now anyone who's even written a line of Delphi would know this, so me thinks like the vast majority of Vista bashing critics your speaking bollocks. Putting 2GB of data into an EXE is just silly, there not designed to be mass data stores.

    However, running any huristic over that much data will and would take a while. So there will be an on-startup performance hit, given that UAC can understand some compression, again this takes longer.
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    Re: Vista is like a marriage!??!

    Haha, im not bashing it, I love it, just not the UAC so much, and the 2GB archive, when ever I tried to extract it, it would take alot of time (could be the heuristics you mentioned) and the space in C partition would go down just about 2Gb before the UAC dialog box would come up, hence I concluded the aforementioned..I might be wrong!
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    Re: Vista is like a marriage!??!

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    I actually think UAC could be improved vastly with the inclusion of an exclusions list (like the Firewall - it'll request admin access to modify it, but its easy to alter them later if needed) as a few, but not many apps require admin access.

    This is highly annoying if you have one that starts on bootup.
    That's the biggest issue IMO, for example the software I use to control fan speed on my graphics card, by virture of accessing certain sensors needs admin access. Mostly though I agree that I'd rather have UAC popping up so I can go "hmmm, why does this need admin access" and infact it gives me *more* control over my system.

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    Re: Vista is like a marriage!??!

    UAC does in effect have the idea of white listing, but its done by publisher.

    See: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../cc709628.aspx
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