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    Re: "Microsoft is accused by EU again "

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicks12 View Post
    Its funny how Apple are not being fined, i find it hard to believe they are not doing anything wrong. With the IPOD, you need itunes to put music on it so thats forcing people to use that software along with quicktime installing itunes with it and taking over your computers(that program is absolute fail), wonder if apple are behind this?.
    Aye but apple don't have a monopoly over the market, which is the only reason behind MS being sued due to "Antitrust laws" or some crud like that due to MS' embrace, extend, extinguish take on their business plan.
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    Re: "Microsoft is accused by EU again "

    Quote Originally Posted by TAKTAK View Post
    Aye but apple don't have a monopoly over the market, which is the only reason behind MS being sued due to "Antitrust laws" or some crud like that due to MS' embrace, extend, extinguish take on their business plan.
    But they do!

    As it stands iTunes is the ONLY game in town for DRM'd music if you want the iPod market.

    DRM'd music is cheaper than non DRM music, because its a lesser product, as such they are completely nocking out people from that market.

    How come its only france, the land of surrendering and lazy farmers that stands up to them?

    As for business plans, all companies have a legal obligation to their shareholders, ie all of them want to be a monopoly. This really is more of a tax, than about anti-trust.

    Take the WMP one, in windows 7 for instance we see more of the Windows Home Server like database of music/vids, or Library if you will which is shared out to extenders...

    Now arguments about which standard to use, and how uselessly vauge uPnP is, a platform has to have these APIs now adays. As such these tools become integral parts of the OS.

    For instance with IE its half of those APIs that control the 'zone' definitions which automatically change security settings (from XP Sp2 onwards).
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    Re: "Microsoft is accused by EU again "

    Quote Originally Posted by Powderhound View Post
    I suppose by making it harder to get hold of web browsers, the EU might manage to remove some of the complete morons from the internet...


    You mean that Youtube comments pages might actually become readable?

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    Re: "Microsoft is accused by EU again "

    Of course it's a core part of the OS. When you buy a computer, joe public expects it to be able to connect to the internet via his homehub without any hitches. What does he do when the test page doesn't load up because the browser doesn't "exist"

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicks12 View Post
    Yup you do, and people complain about microsoft charging a similar amount for a whole different OS, stupid aye?.

    The ipod earphones are like £20, buy some better quality ones for £7(ep 630's) or the £15 senns cx300's. A sock for an ipod costs like 5 or 10 quid along with arm bands being well expensive. Bought a silicon case for my sandisk sansa clip for about £3!.
    To be fair, their new in ear buds have had generally good reviews and are comparable to other 'phones in the same price range.

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    Re: "Microsoft is accused by EU again "

    Hey everyone,
    i think it should be uninstallable and not be part of the core OS.
    when i play games using windows live messenger i get a uac prompt that says internet explorer installer. i mean wtf im using windows live messenger not internet explorer...
    thing is i always have the lastest installers for firefox and opera on disc so i dont even need internet explorer to download them.
    windows update is a seprate application in vista so other applications such as windows live messenger including the games that is used with it should be able to work fully without internet explorer. just make it a seprate application that is easily uninstallable so i can remove it if i want to. plus if there is an issue with it i can remove and reinstall it.
    do you know what i mean? if not pleas say what bit you dont get.
    if you understand what are your thoughts?

    with windows media player why cant they just add the codecs to the OS but not install media player.
    just add windows media player as an option under the windows live applications?
    i use media monkey and VLC so have no need for WMP

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    Re: "Microsoft is accused by EU again "

    lodore, where do you draw the line?

    I've a whole bunch of code in production at work. I use a bunch of APIs (bits of the operating system that provides the functionality for programs) that all need an "internet browsing platform".

    Now that HAS to be there, the last thing you wnat is people installing/un-installing it.

    One of the reasons debian's package manager is so brialiant is because it HAS to solve so many problems. There are about 10 different apps that provide the same library functions as each other. Its a pain in the arse when your trying to develop, you have so many different platforms to target. That is a problem.
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    Re: "Microsoft is accused by EU again "

    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus View Post
    lodore, where do you draw the line?

    I've a whole bunch of code in production at work. I use a bunch of APIs (bits of the operating system that provides the functionality for programs) that all need an "internet browsing platform".

    Now that HAS to be there, the last thing you wnat is people installing/un-installing it.

    One of the reasons debian's package manager is so brialiant is because it HAS to solve so many problems. There are about 10 different apps that provide the same library functions as each other. Its a pain in the arse when your trying to develop, you have so many different platforms to target. That is a problem.
    Hello TheAnimus,
    i was thinking of drawing the line with the applications that come bundled with the OS. the stuff that is needed by other programs to function of course should be left behind.
    by seprating IE from the core of the OS removing it shouldnt cause any issue to anyother applications do you agree?


    I agree that one of the main problems with opensourse is that anyone can change anycode at any time. someone might remove some code from say firefox which another devoloper was using and now there program wont work with it. example some sort of adblocker

    on a random note i like package managers alot. updating everything using one application is great. i dual boot fedora 10 atm and i like it alot.
    Last edited by lodore; 18-01-2009 at 12:21 AM.

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    Re: "Microsoft is accused by EU again "

    Quote Originally Posted by lodore View Post
    by seprating IE from the core of the OS removing it shouldnt cause any issue to anyother applications do you agree?
    No, removing IE will break a lot of things. e.g some help files use IE

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    Re: "Microsoft is accused by EU again "

    Quote Originally Posted by SiM View Post
    No, removing IE will break a lot of things. e.g some help files use IE
    Hey Sim,
    i forgot about help files.
    i dont think removing WMP would cause any issues thou?

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    Re: "Microsoft is accused by EU again "

    WMP, think about the Library.

    There are always issues with these apps, because these are apps that are taken for granted to allow other apps to do functions.

    Even notepad might be assumed to be present by some applications!
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    Re: "Microsoft is accused by EU again "

    I would be HIGHLY pissed off if an operating system was bundled without basic media and connectivity packages. Even if provided on-disk as an option, i would question what i was paying for.

    By the sounds of it, a fancy file browser that can't actually open any of the files or even read a text document. It's doesn't matter that they bundled it and that it's "still there", it's time wasted and if you're in a situation where you have to manually install windows on X number of pc's and you have to choose which fundamental packages you want every time..

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    Re: "Microsoft is accused by EU again "

    Quote Originally Posted by Whiternoise View Post
    I would be HIGHLY pissed off if an operating system was bundled without basic media and connectivity packages. Even if provided on-disk as an option, i would question what i was paying for.

    By the sounds of it, a fancy file browser that can't actually open any of the files or even read a text document. It's doesn't matter that they bundled it and that it's "still there", it's time wasted and if you're in a situation where you have to manually install windows on X number of pc's and you have to choose which fundamental packages you want every time..
    Hey Whiternoise,
    i know what you mean.
    i just remembereed that without WMP iplayer wouldnt work,alot of online radio wouldnt work etc.
    im looking forward to windows 7. i may decide to be an early adopter to it. all my applications and hardware already work with the beta and its fast and stable.

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    Re: "Microsoft is accused by EU again "

    I've long despised the EU....and I don't even live there! Their constant slagging against Microsoft is worse than the mess with our Dept. of Justice a few years back (that was also utter nonsense).

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    Re: "Microsoft is accused by EU again "

    Absolutely utter bollocks. This is one of the most ridiculous thing's I've heard in an attempt to fill a fools pocket. Bull****.

    and as for the iPod, open it's folder in my computer, enable hidden folders, click the music folder and drag and drop into there. I think this works .

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    Re: "Microsoft is accused by EU again "

    Well this is OT, but I have to make the plug. For the ipod, get rockbox.
    - Better sound quality
    - More features (proper playlists, parametric equaliser, FLAC, gapless playback.....)
    - Skinable - can make own themes - so looks nicer
    - Can drag and drop wherever you want on the drive and browse to playback
    - It's open source
    - There are loads more advantages

    Only downside is, that if you have one of those gimmicky ipods then Rockbox is not compatible. But if you bought one of those, then you are probably not an audiophile, so you would be happy with sub-standard quality music with a sub-standard quality OS.

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    Re: "Microsoft is accused by EU again "

    Quote Originally Posted by radar View Post
    Absolutely utter bollocks. This is one of the most ridiculous thing's I've heard in an attempt to fill a fools pocket. Bull****.

    and as for the iPod, open it's folder in my computer, enable hidden folders, click the music folder and drag and drop into there. I think this works .
    nope, the newer ones require third party software to run them in disc mode - otherwise it doesn't appear, only in itwats

    and while we're on the subject, my sister brang over her new ipod touch and the sound quality was rubbish even using my se530s.

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