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    Backing up DVD's? Best method?

    Ok...I have never ever copied a DVD before as I didn't see the need for backups.

    However with kids using discs I now see the need for backups as originals get badly scratched...

    upon googling the only guides etc are generally dated back to 2003, so I am clearly 5 years behind the game :-)

    They all generally refer to dvdshrink, but is this still the best piece of software to use to copy across the data? Tbh, I just don't want to lose out in quality, I dont care if I have to spend a small bit of cash to get the best software.

    Ideally I would like to be able to save the original to the HDD, which then can be converted to a 4.7GB regular disk?

    Btw, some of the disks are ex-rental as I got them on the cheap. Is their any way to cut out all the advertising rubbish at the start of them?

    All advise is welcome.

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    Re: Backing up DVD's? Best method?

    Generally DVD Shrink still works, however the mods here might not want this topic discussed here on this particular forum.

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    Re: Backing up DVD's? Best method?

    You'd be amazed how much abuse a DVD can take and still play just fine. But apart from not letting kids handle them, just buy several copies if you're worried about them eventually wearing out - if they're getting that much use then it's still value for money.

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    Re: Backing up DVD's? Best method?

    Quote Originally Posted by Singh400 View Post
    Generally DVD Shrink still works, however the mods here might not want this topic discussed here on this particular forum.
    Its a genuine legal honest question, if I where that way inclined I would simply download the film and not worry about buying an original in the first place.

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    Re: Backing up DVD's? Best method?

    We get it rammed down our throats that we are paying for the IP and not the medium, so why should you buy new because the medium has become damaged through general wear and tear?

    Surely, if we are not allowed to backup for our own use, then disks should be replaced free-of-charge and we should not be expected to buy a new license?

    I would either say "sod it" and make backups and let the kids use them or contact the studio and ask them to replace the damaged disks.
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    Re: Backing up DVD's? Best method?

    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    Surely, if we are not allowed to backup for our own use, then disks should be replaced free-of-charge and we should not be expected to buy a new license?
    They are if they fail within a reasonable amount of time under normal use. If the user damages a goods though through misuse then the company shouldn't be expected to pay.

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    Re: Backing up DVD's? Best method?

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    They are if they fail within a reasonable amount of time under normal use. If the user damages a goods though through misuse then the company shouldn't be expected to pay.
    But we are not paying for the medium.......and the medium is fragile.

    In fact, this directly effects piracy, if they did do the right thing and have a no quibble disk replacement service, perhaps people would think about the fact they are paying for the content and not the medium.

    At the moment they seem to want to have it both ways, which IMO, doesn't do their crusade against piracy any favours.
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    Re: Backing up DVD's? Best method?

    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    But we are not paying for the medium.......and the medium is fragile.
    You are paying for use of the medium as well. If the medium is too fragile to do its job then the product is not fit for purpose.
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    Re: Backing up DVD's? Best method?

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    You'd be amazed how much abuse a DVD can take and still play just fine. But apart from not letting kids handle them, just buy several copies if you're worried about them eventually wearing out - if they're getting that much use then it's still value for money.
    He's already paid for a license to view the copyright material, why should he have to pay for more than one copy so he can keep using what he already paid for?

    That's just stupid. That's like buying multiple jags, in case the first one you buy breaks down so you throw it in the bin and jump in the other one.

    Your anti-consumerism never ceases to shock and appal me.
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    Re: Backing up DVD's? Best method?

    Quote Originally Posted by aidanjt View Post
    That's just stupid. That's like buying multiple jags, in case the first one you buy breaks down so you throw it in the bin and jump in the other one.
    Not a bad idea...
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    Re: Backing up DVD's? Best method?

    Quote Originally Posted by aidanjt View Post
    He's already paid for a license to view the copyright material, why should he have to pay for more than one copy so he can keep using what he already paid for?
    Read above - I've said he shouldn't have to. If the product breaks in normal use then it's not fit for purpose - we have these laws to protect us as consumers.

    That's just stupid. That's like buying multiple jags, in case the first one you buy breaks down so you throw it in the bin and jump in the other one.
    And that's worse than stealing one in case the first one breaks down is it?

    Your anti-consumerism never ceases to shock and appal me.
    Quite the opposite - I'm arguing for consumer rights and demanding companies give us products that are fit for purpose. I support our pro-consumer laws which are better than many other countries which do force people to make backups because they aren't as well protected. If we don't make use of these laws and just use our own solutions then what's to stop companies from getting lazy and supplying inferior products, reliant on work the consumer has to do to get around problems? No thanks. The jag should work out of the factory for its intended use, but if you use it twice as hard then you should expect it to wear out twice as fast and be prepared to buy them twice as often.
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    Re: Backing up DVD's? Best method?

    Kal's point is correct. Don't forget that music tapes, video tapes and Vinyl used to wear out and once worn out, you needed to buy it again.

    But the entire Back Up for personal use debate will rage for ever, because there are a lot of lawyers making a lot of money from it.

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    Re: Backing up DVD's? Best method?

    Guys, please be careful with this thread.

    Whether we like it or not (and personally, I don't), right now it's not legal to back up DVDs in the UK. The law might be daft, and IMHO, it is, and I entirely agree with aidanjt's logic .... but the fact remains that the Copyright Act says what it does.

    As far as I'm concerned, the logic simple .... when I buy a DVD (or CD), I'm buying the rights to use the copyright material on that disc for my personal, domestic use. If I protect my right by duplicating the physical media, then all I'm doing is protecting the right to do what I paid for. The copyright is vested in the material on the disc, not the disc itself. It is not copying the disc that's a copyright breach, but the intellectual property on it. If the disc itself is damaged and I have a copy, then I've protected the "artwork" that I paid for in the first place and the physical media is, after all, only a carrier material. It doesn't matter to my enjoyment of the music or film if it's played from an original, from a copy or from hard drive, so providing I'm only using the rights I paid for in the first place, why should I lose the right to enjoy that music or film simply because a disc got damaged or lost?

    If people copy discs and give them to friends, or worse yet, sell them, then fine, they're doing something way beyond what they paid for the right to do, but if all I'm doing is doing what I paid for the right to do, then what's the problem?

    And that logic is why, as far as I know, after several decades of casette tape recorders, video recorders and more recently, CD/DVD burners, nobody has ever ended up in court over a copy of a disc (or rather, the material on it) that they legitimately owned a copy of.

    The law, IMHO, badly needs updating to reflect such genuine uses of legitimately owned discs. And there are proposals to do exactly that in the next revision of IP law.

    But .... right now the law is what it is. So while, personally, I sympathise with djglenn's intentions, there's a problem when it comes to discussing on here how to break the law, however much I and/or HEXUS might disagree with it.

    So please, if you want to discuss (again) the right and wrongs, the ethics, the legalities, then great. But if we start discussing the mechanics of how to break the law, we'll close this or remove it completely.

    djglenn, there's plenty of places on the net where you can get detailed instructions on copying discs, and they aren't hard to find. So please ... not here.

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    Re: Backing up DVD's? Best method?

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    That's just stupid. That's like buying multiple jags, in case the first one you buy breaks down so you throw it in the bin and jump in the other one.....
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    Re: Backing up DVD's? Best method?

    If the law fails us, change the law.
    A quote I live by, not exactly sure of it's orgins...

    It means that we should always do things within the scope of the law, and if that law fails us, we don't break the law, we change it.

    In this day an age people seem to forget that laws are created by the people, for the people. You have every right to campagin to get a law changed if you don't agree with it. What you do not have to right to do is circumvent, break, or otherwise take action that goes against what is written in law.
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