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    Running OSX on PC

    Ok I just read somewhere that you can put OSX on a PC.

    Now imagine that you can run OSX legitimately on PC components. Apple are trying to ban this company (given that they actually bought the OSX Software) from using it.

    I would prefer to use a mac for things like Internet surfing, picture editing ("fun" things) and school work etc on windows. I think that Apple will eventually start selling the OSX, they are just waiting to see how many more (overpriced) macs they can sell before no more people want one.
    Selling standalone software will soon be the way forward.

    So the question I guess is would you be interested in buying the OS or would it just be a waste of time? I think it would be AWESOME to have both as mentioned above!

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    Re: Running OSX on PC

    No, Psystar were acting as illegal distributors (reselling without a license), and had modified the code so it ran on non apple hardware (copyright infringement), and rightly got clobbered for it.

    If you wish to purchase a retail copy of OS X,and modify it yourself, that's up to you, but bypassing the copy protection routines etc that are needed to run the OS on non Apple hardware is well outside of the t & c's of posting on HEXUS and we won't allow discussion of it.

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    Re: Running OSX on PC

    i was saying hypothetically, im an economist not computer science guy lol. was just wondering did you guys think it would ever happen? i posted here cos in the os section of the forum its dead~!

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    Re: Running OSX on PC

    Apple won't sell the OS unbundled and de-restricted - they did it once before by allowing clone manufacturers, and it nearly killed the company.

    Apple makes a significant proportion of their income from selling hardware, and they clearly have zero interest in going down this route - they've positioned themselves as a premium, low sales, high margin brand, and do not want to go down the high volume low margin sales route.

    Discuss the merits or lack of them by opening up the platform, but let me be very clear - any discussion of bypassing the hardware checks will be removed and is best avoided
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    If you're an economist, I'm sure you can see the flaw in your argument - Apple's financial results prove that the model they're following is working for them.

    Porsche, Ferrari, Bugatti, Aston Martin etc etc are all parallels in the automotive industry - all low volume, high margin sales.

    They're all aspirational brands, and it would simply damage them to go to the opposite model of mass market low margin sales.

    Financial suicide, pure and simple.
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    Re: Running OSX on PC

    I would just run a Linux distro with an OS X like theme. After all both OS X and Linux are Unix like operating systems.

    Here are some details:

    http://lifehacker.com/5290955/mac4li...plete-mac-look

    Also Compiz is pretty cool:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compiz

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    Re: Running OSX on PC

    Quote Originally Posted by Stoo View Post
    If you're an economist, I'm sure you can see the flaw in your argument - Apple's financial results prove that the model they're following is working for them.

    Porsche, Ferrari, Bugatti, Aston Martin etc etc are all parallels in the automotive industry - all low volume, high margin sales.

    They're all aspirational brands, and it would simply damage them to go to the opposite model of mass market low margin sales.

    Financial suicide, pure and simple.
    that comment was to say that i wouldnt know anything about kackintosh. i know that obviously that apple want to remain exclusive, but i wanted to know what people thought of just the OS, i.e. would they get it..

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    Re: Running OSX on PC

    Quote Originally Posted by Stoo View Post
    No, Psystar were acting as illegal distributors (reselling without a license), and had modified the code so it ran on non apple hardware (copyright infringement), and rightly got clobbered for it.

    If you wish to purchase a retail copy of OS X,and modify it yourself, that's up to you, but bypassing the copy protection routines etc that are needed to run the OS on non Apple hardware is well outside of the t & c's of posting on HEXUS and we won't allow discussion of it.

    I've moved this to the correct forum too.
    Psystar wasn't illegally distributing anything. They gave legal retail Mac OS X with their computers.

    They didn't modify any code. They created the Rebel EFI software which allows you to install a legal retail DVD of Mac OS X on any computer.

    Running Mac OS X on non-Apple hardware is not copyright infringement. It is against the Mac OS X EULA.

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    Re: Running OSX on PC

    if MAC sell the standalone OS, why can you not install it onto any hardware you want?

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    Re: Running OSX on PC

    They ban it in their EULA, i.e. the rights they give you when you purchase the software.

    Illegal if you ask me, based on what Microsoft have been done for, but seeing as Apple are the "little guys" I don't think that they'll ever get in trouble for it.

    Whether any individual is likely to get prosecuted for it, I would imagine not - Psystar had legal action taken against them because they were generating profit out of it, but I don't think Apple would bother trying to chase after Joe Bloggs who might possibly have tried to install OSX on his Dell.

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    Re: Running OSX on PC

    Quote Originally Posted by Stoo View Post
    If you're an economist, I'm sure you can see the flaw in your argument - Apple's financial results prove that the model they're following is working for them.

    Porsche, Ferrari, Bugatti, Aston Martin etc etc are all parallels in the automotive industry - all low volume, high margin sales.

    They're all aspirational brands, and it would simply damage them to go to the opposite model of mass market low margin sales.

    Financial suicide, pure and simple.
    Except all of the above generally don't explode when they're ticking over.
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    Re: Running OSX on PC

    Quote Originally Posted by 12GaugeShotty View Post
    Psystar wasn't illegally distributing anything. They gave legal retail Mac OS X with their computers.
    Wrong.

    http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?s...91114101637997

    Apple contends that Psystar has violated its distribution right by offering and selling Mac OS X on Psystar computers to the public. Psystar admits that it has distributed Mac OS X (Chung Exh. 17 at 4).

    But Psystar responds that its conduct is protected by the Section 109 first-sale doctrine. Section 109 provides that "the owner of a particular copy or phonorecord lawfully made under this title, or any person authorized by such owner, is entitled, without the authority of the copyright owner, to sell or otherwise dispose of the possession of that copy or phonorecord." 17 U.S.C. 109. This provision is a limitation on the distribution right. It applies only to an owner of a copy.

    The parties spill much ink on whether Psystar was the owner or a licensee of the copy (i.e., the tangible copy) of Mac OS X that it purchased. Even assuming arguendo that Psystar was the owner of a copy, the first-sale defense fails here. Section 109 provides immunity only when copies are "lawfully made." The copies at issue here were not lawfully manufactured with the authorization of the copyright owner. As stated, Psystar made an unauthorized copy of Mac OS X from a Mac mini that was placed onto an "imaging station" and then used a "master copy" to make many more unauthorized copies that were installed on individual Psystar computers. The first-sale defense does not apply to those unauthorized copies. See Microsoft Corp. v. Software Wholesale Club, Inc., 129 F. Supp. 2d 995, 1006 (S.D. Tex. 2000) ("the first-sale doctrine does not apply to an admittedly counterfeit unit"); see also 2-8 NIMMER ON COPYRIGHT ยง 8.12 ("if the manufacture of a copy or phonorecord constitutes an infringement of the reproduction or adaptation right, its distribution will infringe the distribution right, even if this is done by the owner of such copy or phonorecord").
    An individual can go into an Apple store, buy the software, and hack it onto their own hardware if they like (it's against the EULA, but Apple won't go after you for it), but what they won't allow is for a company to sell a pre-packed system - they have no license to do so.

    Psystar are also likely to be slapped rather hard for the EFI bypass (summary judgement on Copyright and DCMA breaches has been granted and is due soon).

    There were copyright breaches, they'd made copies of OS X as noted in the quote above.

    Yep, I like OS X, so I bought a Mac - I'm now on my third laptop and first desktop.

    If I could be bothered, I could use the install cd's plus the various patches and get it running on my old PC - but it's a hassle - there's no guarantee that any patches will work properly with hardware it wasn't designed to run on, and there's zero support other than a small forum community.

    I need a reliable system, so it's not even an option - I dropped windows at home because I'd utterly had enough of it.

    Apple don't actually sell the OS unbundled, they sell a retail copy which is for upgrading existing Apple hardware.

    Again, Apple are not stopping individuals, but free-loading companies trying to make money off the back of the hard work they had put in to build the platform and the brand.
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    Re: Running OSX on PC

    Quote Originally Posted by aidanjt View Post
    Except all of the above generally don't explode when they're ticking over.


    Change the record, it's very boring now.

    Virtually *all* laptop manufacturers have had serious issues with batteries overheating - it's one of the problems with Li-Po batteries.

    Go through just about every automotive brand, and most electrical manufacturers and find one of them who have never had a product recall or issue.

    http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/18/a...usly-combusts/

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    Re: Running OSX on PC

    Quote Originally Posted by Stoo View Post
    Wrong.

    http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?s...91114101637997



    An individual can go into an Apple store, buy the software, and hack it onto their own hardware if they like (it's against the EULA, but Apple won't go after you for it), but what they won't allow is for a company to sell a pre-packed system - they have no license to do so.

    Psystar are also likely to be slapped rather hard for the EFI bypass (summary judgement on Copyright and DCMA breaches has been granted and is due soon).

    There were copyright breaches, they'd made copies of OS X as noted in the quote above.

    Yep, I like OS X, so I bought a Mac - I'm now on my third laptop and first desktop.

    If I could be bothered, I could use the install cd's plus the various patches and get it running on my old PC - but it's a hassle - there's no guarantee that any patches will work properly with hardware it wasn't designed to run on, and there's zero support other than a small forum community.

    I need a reliable system, so it's not even an option - I dropped windows at home because I'd utterly had enough of it.

    Apple don't actually sell the OS unbundled, they sell a retail copy which is for upgrading existing Apple hardware.

    Again, Apple are not stopping individuals, but free-loading companies trying to make money off the back of the hard work they had put in to build the platform and the brand.
    Ah. I see what they did. The original OpenMacs used cloned images. I guess it was a learners mistake.

    What they do now is offer the Rebel EFI software that allows you to install it on any PC. No cloning or any copyright infringement.

    But what a costly mistake that they made from the start. Purchasing 3,000 licenses and distributing it on 6,000 computers? What were they thinking?

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    Re: Running OSX on PC

    there is another company selling pc's with OSX installed.
    linky

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    Re: Running OSX on PC

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    Change the record, it's very boring now.
    I don't know, I think we might get a bit more mileage out of that one.
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