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    Volume Licensing - How?

    Hi all,
    I'm just in the process of seeing how much it would cost to upgrade our office to Windows 7 across the board. This will be around 20-25 PCs in all, so I imagine volume licensing would be our best option?
    So really, I'm just after which should be the best value way to go about this?
    The 50% off under the OVS scheme which has just been publicised looks interesting, but I'm not sure if I've understood this fully, or what exactly this would entail?

    I'm sorry if that's unclear, but I'm just trying to get my head around this!
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    Re: Volume Licensing - How?

    Microsoft has got more and more strict about volume licensing after XP volume keys were used alot for pirated versions, now im sure you need a keyserver to use it, and you would have to contact microsoft directly, or a contractor of microsoft to do it. May be more hastle then you require, but im sure thats the way they are currently doing it.

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    Re: Volume Licensing - How?

    Volume licensing of Operating systems from MS is more expensive than individual Licenses and always has been. I presume they do this because it makes deployment easier.
    E.G. Windows 7 Enterprise (upgrade*) £229 per unit for me
    Windows 7 Ultimate is less than £170 per unit for a single copy and it doesn't have to be an upgrade to an existing MS OS.

    *You cannot buy a volume license version of Windows that isn't an upgrade license. It must upgrade an "existing operating system"

    OVS is a rip off and more expensive than just buying new software every 3 years.
    You'd think that they'd sell you the software at a discount since you don't own it after the lease expires but they dont.
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    Re: Volume Licensing - How?

    Quote Originally Posted by badass View Post
    *You cannot buy a volume license version of Windows that isn't an upgrade license. It must upgrade an "existing operating system"
    What? I had access to the Microsoft's Volume Licensing website at my last job I could very well download and install full versions, not upgrades.

    https://www.microsoft.com/licensing/servicecenter/

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    Re: Volume Licensing - How?

    Quote Originally Posted by badass View Post
    OVS is a rip off and more expensive than just buying new software every 3 years.
    You'd think that they'd sell you the software at a discount since you don't own it after the lease expires but they dont.
    Open Value Subscription is more expensive as it also includes the cost of Software assurance. So, if MS released another OS during those 3 years you would be entitled to download and install that to any or all the machines covered by that agreement.

    To purchase Open Licence software you need to go through a Distributor or Sub-disti. If you need a number for someone to call and discuss I can pass on a couple.

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    Re: Volume Licensing - How?

    Quote Originally Posted by 12GaugeShotty View Post
    What? I had access to the Microsoft's Volume Licensing website at my last job I could very well download and install full versions, not upgrades.

    https://www.microsoft.com/licensing/servicecenter/
    Yes you can download and use the full versions.
    But the license is only valid if those versions are ued on a machine that already has an OS license for something else.

    Quote Originally Posted by gss03 View Post
    Open Value Subscription is more expensive as it also includes the cost of Software assurance. So, if MS released another OS during those 3 years you would be entitled to download and install that to any or all the machines covered by that agreement.

    To purchase Open Licence software you need to go through a Distributor or Sub-disti. If you need a number for someone to call and discuss I can pass on a couple.
    but still more expensive than buying complete software every 3 years? what's the use of SA if it's more expensive than buying the software every time a new version comes out.
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    Re: Volume Licensing - How?

    Quote Originally Posted by badass View Post

    but still more expensive than buying complete software every 3 years? what's the use of SA if it's more expensive than buying the software every time a new version comes out.
    No idea why SA is sold really. only sold SA to a client once so they got the upgrade rights to Office for Mac 2008 when that came out. Don't personally see the point myself. Only reason I would sell it just now is with the impending release of Office 2010 - but even then adding 2/3rd of the cost of a licence to each new licence just for those upgrade rights, plus the other SA benefits doesn't really cut it with me.

    There are lots of SA benefits such as home use rights for the software. I just can't remember the rest of the list.....

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    Re: Volume Licensing - How?

    I guess its more expensive because it can be a lot less hassle if set up correctly.

    WDS deploys your prebuilt images of windows 7. KMS means your install keys are safer. Redeployments can be done much simpler.

    In a small network thats all complete overkill, but go deploy 2000+ desktops from CD/USB with individual keys and you can soon see that the few grand you save in software costs are lost in employee time.

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    Re: Volume Licensing - How?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jiff Lemon View Post
    I guess its more expensive because it can be a lot less hassle if set up correctly.

    WDS deploys your prebuilt images of windows 7. KMS means your install keys are safer. Redeployments can be done much simpler.

    In a small network thats all complete overkill, but go deploy 2000+ desktops from CD/USB with individual keys and you can soon see that the few grand you save in software costs are lost in employee time.
    All of this can be done if you have a MOLP license. Which is both cheaper and once paid for, the organization owns the licenses forever.
    The only saving on OVS and other lease licenses is it makes procurement easier but you have to do it yearly rather than when you want to deploy new software, which is generally every 3 years or longer.

    The only time I can see this being usefull if is you have an anal finance department that makes procurement an excessively time consuming task and you'd rather just present them with a bil every year that they simply cannot argue.
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    Re: Volume Licensing - How?

    Quote Originally Posted by roadkilluk View Post
    Microsoft has got more and more strict about volume licensing after XP volume keys were used alot for pirated versions, now im sure you need a keyserver to use it, and you would have to contact microsoft directly, or a contractor of microsoft to do it. May be more hastle then you require, but im sure thats the way they are currently doing it.
    For Volume licences you have either MAK or KMS keys. MAK for multiple activation and KMS multiple activation but machines need to contact KMS server periodically to "authenticate" its key. I.e., if you "borrow" a laptop when you leave your job it will "cease/become illegal" to work after a period of time as it'd need to contact the KMS server within the corporate LAN.

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    Re: Volume Licensing - How?

    Quote Originally Posted by badass View Post
    Yes you can download and use the full versions.
    But the license is only valid if those versions are ued on a machine that already has an OS license for something else.
    Wrong again. They were used for workstations that did not have any OS installed. There are many different types of VLAs available. You might be talking about one but not all of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 12GaugeShotty View Post
    Wrong again. They were used for workstations that did not have any OS installed. There are many different types of VLAs available. You might be talking about one but not all of them.
    Just because you were using the licenses like that doesn't mean it was within the EULA
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    Re: Volume Licensing - How?

    This PDF might help clear up things a bit:
    http://partner.microsoft.com/download/UK/40123538

    It has a bunch of URLs at the end with even more info, and an email address you can fire off questions to that relate to licensing.

    Also, unless it's changed since I had the training delivered, KMS deployments require a minimum of 25 (non-virtual) clients or 5 servers to be used.
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    Re: Volume Licensing - How?

    Quote Originally Posted by 12GaugeShotty View Post
    Wrong again. They were used for workstations that did not have any OS installed. There are many different types of VLAs available. You might be talking about one but not all of them.
    If you follow the link provided by Paul Adams below, you'll see that you are wrong.
    I suggest you stop trying to talk authorititively about things you know nothing about
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Adams View Post
    This PDF might help clear up things a bit:
    http://partner.microsoft.com/download/UK/40123538

    It has a bunch of URLs at the end with even more info, and an email address you can fire off questions to that relate to licensing.

    Also, unless it's changed since I had the training delivered, KMS deployments require a minimum of 25 (non-virtual) clients or 5 servers to be used.
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    Re: Volume Licensing - How?

    Its a moot point for the size of distribution that you'd use volume licencing as Machines would not have been purchased without an OS - ( I can't see scratch build machines being used in anything other than the smallest companies. )
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    Re: Volume Licensing - How?

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