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    WHS - includes full IIS?

    So, Windows Home Server users - a quick google suggests that WHS includes a pretty much feature complete version of IIS that allows for multiple sites etc. Can anyone confirm this? And if so, can it be managed by the standard IIS Manager, so I can get full access to SSL settings, ports etc? Or is it limited to a simplified "user-friendly" wizard-based set up?

    In other words, can WHS be used as a "home" "production" web server (i.e. for limited/light use but with all the features of, say, Windows Web Server)?

    EDIT: horrid thought - is WHS 64-bit only?
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    Re: WHS - includes full IIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    So, Windows Home Server users - a quick google suggests that WHS includes a pretty much feature complete version of IIS that allows for multiple sites etc. Can anyone confirm this? And if so, can it be managed by the standard IIS Manager, so I can get full access to SSL settings, ports etc? Or is it limited to a simplified "user-friendly" wizard-based set up?

    In other words, can WHS be used as a "home" "production" web server (i.e. for limited/light use but with all the features of, say, Windows Web Server)?

    EDIT: horrid thought - is WHS 64-bit only?
    Well, which version is important. I have a feeling that WHS v1 didn't have proper IIS, it had a mangled version that you could hack in if you wanted. The whole OS is pretty much like that. The features are there somewhere, and can be enabled, but not without a registry hack.

    What you're best off doing for thing like 64-bit functionality, just check the equivalent Windows server. WHS v1 is Server 2003, WHS v2 is Server 2008.

    Would research this so I'm not just saying what I remember and could easily be wrong, but I'm being shouted at to leave so I'll leave it there for now.

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    Re: WHS - includes full IIS?

    My WHS 2011 64 Bit has what looks like full IIS to me. You can setup multiple web sites, setup ports, host names etc. I haven't used any of it though.
    WHS 2011 is 64 Bit only.

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    Re: WHS - includes full IIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by snootyjim View Post
    ... What you're best off doing for thing like 64-bit functionality, just check the equivalent Windows server. ...
    Problem being real Windows server is very expensive. I run Web Server 2k8 on my work workstation and it's a lovely OS, but it's pretty heavyweight (my Windows folder is > 30GB) and costs several hundred pounds. If WHS includes full IIS it's a much cheaper way of running a web server...

    Quote Originally Posted by Wooglie View Post
    My WHS 2011 64 Bit has what looks like full IIS to me. You can setup multiple web sites, setup ports, host names etc. I haven't used any of it though.
    Sounds good, thanks for the info

    Quote Originally Posted by Wooglie View Post
    WHS 2011 is 64 Bit only.
    Ah dammit, that's the bit I didn't want to here. Was hoping to stick it on one of those cheap Via storage boxes linitx are doing at the minute but I'm pretty sure they're 32bit only.

    *sigh* back to the drawing board!

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    Re: WHS - includes full IIS?

    Can you not install IIS on W7? As far as I was aware you get the full fat version with Home Premium upwards, you just need to enable it.

    EDIT - shows what I know, no SMTP server and limited to 10 simultaneous connections. Still... for dev/test would that not cut the mustard?

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    Re: WHS - includes full IIS?

    Would Apache not do? Or is there something you need IIS for specifically?

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    Re: WHS - includes full IIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by Splash View Post
    ... no SMTP server and limited to 10 simultaneous connections. Still... for dev/test would that not cut the mustard?
    For dev/test, yes. But I want to run several publicly accessible sites as an online portfolio (fttc + static IP address *hopefully* for the win!)...
    Quote Originally Posted by dave87 View Post
    Would Apache not do? Or is there something you need IIS for specifically?
    It would, and given the difficulties/legalities of obtaining a suitable version of Windows Server I may well have to default to some flavour of Linux + Apache + Mono (I don't think work would be too understanding if I stuck an extra license on their bill!). I'm just used to the whole Win Server / IIS / SQL Server ecosystem from work and the idea was to make my own life easier

    on the other hand, wonder if I still have my old Win 2k server disks lying around *hmmmmmm*....

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    Re: WHS - includes full IIS?

    Or *waits for howls of derision from the Linux camp* stick apache on Windows?

    I've got an XP virtual machine running Apache, PHP and MySQL which I'm having a play about with (basically the inbuilt XP Mode machine from Win7 Pro).

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    Re: WHS - includes full IIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by dave87 View Post
    Or *waits for howls of derision from the Linux camp* stick apache on Windows?
    Back in the day I ran Apache on Win 2K Pro as my main dev environment, with Perl, PHP and MySQL. I still have all the install disks kicking around (and probably more besides!). Was fast and stable, once I'd persuaded the boss to stump up for a memory upgrade (iirc, from 256MB to 384MB!)

    It's definitely an option, particularly if I can dig out an old Win 2k disk (although I have a horrid feeling my 2k Pro disk delaminated ) to keep the OS system resource usage down a bit. Or I could go back to Linux - I used to run it years ago before I sold my soul to the devil. Or I could even try the evaluation version of Web Server 2008 (I've found my ISO kicking around in an old backup!) for now: with slmgr.vbs -rearm I'll have the best part of a year before I have to worry about my ongoing problems

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    Re: WHS - includes full IIS?

    Whats wrong with wamp?

    I would imagine that a good Linux LAMP server will do it for you.

    What sort of website have you been thinking of running?

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    Re: WHS - includes full IIS?

    Nothing very complex *yet* - but that yet is key. I've got a couple of very basic sites that could happily be static HTML if I hadn't decided to template them to make future maintenance a little easier, and are currently in PHP, but I've been working predominantly in .NET for so long now that any time I think about developing something more complex my thoughts naturally turn to how I'd do it in .NET. So if I had a .NET hosting platform available, I think I'd be more inclined to work on my portfolio and side projects.

    Essentially this is going to boil down to what hardware I want to run on. It sounds like, if I get appropriate hardware, WHS will do what I want for ~ £35 for an OEM license - but I'll need to get a low-power 64bit platform to run it on. Otherwise I'm looking at one of L/WAMP, apache + mod_mono (on either linux or Win), or seeing how long I can push a Web Server 2k8 evaluation

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    Re: WHS - includes full IIS?

    monorail or something similar?

    http://www.castleproject.org/monorail/

    I still think of PHP as a phase one grows out of by the time they grasp software design concepts!

    WHS will probably do what you want thou, can't see why it wouldn't.
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    Re: WHS - includes full IIS?

    I use my own web-forms influenced, but rather more standards-compliant, development methodology in general (although I keep promising myself to learn MVC at some point ).

    WHS looks like the best software bet, but here's my dichotomy:

    I had planned to buy a cheap VIA Artigo barebone storage server from linitx to do this with. Problem being the C7-D processor it uses is 32bit only. So WHS 2011 would be a no go for that. Any solution suitable for WHS 2011 is going to mean more initial outlay on hardware. So now I have to choose between sticking with my initial hardware purchase (tempting, as I have all the other components already) and hacking together a less than ideal software solution, or going for the better software solution and trying to scrimp up enough money to get the better hardware it would require...

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    Re: WHS - includes full IIS?

    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    Problem being real Windows server is very expensive. I run Web Server 2k8 on my work workstation and it's a lovely OS, but it's pretty heavyweight (my Windows folder is > 30GB) and costs several hundred pounds. If WHS includes full IIS it's a much cheaper way of running a web server...
    This is what happens when I'm in a hurry

    That wasn't what I was saying. The point I'm making is that there is no such OS as WHS. It's just Server 2003 or 2008 with a few bits hobbled and a few bits added. At the core, they're identical. So if Server 2008 requires 4GB of RAM and a 64-bit processor, you can guarantee that WHS v2 will be likewise.

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    Re: WHS - includes full IIS?

    You can happily run it on an atom board, if your not fussy about a pretty case, the cost will still be very low
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    Re: WHS - includes full IIS?

    I run a LAMP set up quite happily on a 1Ghz C7 processor - it only gets light traffic, but ideal for development. Equally WAMP is an easily configurable package, if you want to stick with Windows.

    I'm sure you will be familiar withy this, but for ease of reference http://www.wampserver.com/en/
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