Swearing involved:
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news...x-support.aspx
Basically he puts the middle finger up at Nvidia and says they have been the worst hardware company to work with(regarding Linux).
Watch it from 48 minutes and 14 seconds later.
Last edited by CAT-THE-FIFTH; 18-06-2012 at 02:18 AM.
Not watched the video but i was under the impression Nvidia's Linux support was good, or at least better than AMD's?
Kalniel: "Nice review Tarinder - would it be possible to get a picture of the case when the components are installed (with the side off obviously)?"
CAT-THE-FIFTH: "The Antec 300 is a case which has an understated and clean appearance which many people like. Not everyone is into e-peen looking computers which look like a cross between the imagination of a hyperactive 10 year old and a Frog."
TKPeters: "Off to AVForum better Deal - £20+Vat for Free Shipping @ Scan"
for all intents it seems to be the same card minus some gays name on it and a shielded cover ? with OEM added to it - GoNz0.
I think it is down to their attitude it seems. It would mean that he probably considers both Intel and AMD better companies to work with.Originally Posted by Terbinator
Watch the video from 48 minutes and 14 seconds.
Really, you need to understand things in the context of ARM systems integration.
Unlike x86, ARM land is a real mess. Every chip and almost every board needs special support in the kernel - driver stack, quirks, boot loader, etc, vary from board to board (and even from hardware revision of board to board).
The companies making ARM chips - Texas Instruments, Broadcom, ST Microelectronics, Qualcomm, etc, usually don't care about making quality code. As long as they can sell chips, they're done, and as long as *something* boots, no matter how bugged, then they can sell chips to middle managers. However, this can end up VERY expensive very fast. How much is it going to cost you to put out continual support for your product if the ARM vendor you decided on applies literally a thousand long invasive patches to an old version of the Linux kernel? How many employees will it take to maintain that mess? So for savvy clients, there is only one option: upstreamed support. The ideal is to buy your million ARM chips, and have them work out of the box from the regular kernel source from kernel.org - no patches, 100% support.
Some vendors are better than others when it comes to upstreaming their changes. NVIDIA are one of the worst at it, and are actively hostile towards the process. This makes the universe measurably worse, as people who end up with TEGRA-based hardware are trapped & prevented from making their own changes, not because it's not open source - but because the pile of patches is so ****ty as to be impenetrable.
NVIDIA have also traditionally been very unhelpful when it comes to low-level open source support for their x86-based hardware. So it's a continuation of a record of bad behaviour. AMD are much better behaved, and Intel are generally very well regarded.
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our very own DirectHex did run a comparrison many moons ago on this subject as he wasn't sure it was still true.
and it wasn't.. not entirely
Last edited by Zak33; 18-06-2012 at 03:25 PM. Reason: added
The other thing to consider is whether building a well-performing but proprietary, closed source, binary-blob drivers is really good "Linux support", given the nature of the OS
Phoronix (unsurprisingly!) have tested the Open Source drivers on all three graphics platforms here, with some very interest results indeed, not least that - if you insist on open source drivers - Ivy Bridge's HD4000 is comparatively tasty for gaming under Linux!
pollaxe (18-06-2012)
Indeed.The other thing to consider is whether building a well-performing but proprietary, closed source, binary-blob drivers is really good "Linux support", given the nature of the OS
e.g. closed-source drivers are incapable of doing "kernel mode setting", which means the GPU is initialized at boot & maintained from boot, leading to higher resolution terminals, faster boot, and no flickers as the card is initialized multiple times by X.
The real story emerges: http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news...-and-nres.aspx
All it shows him to be is a bit of a tool. Are we supposed to take him seriously with this?
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