Results 1 to 15 of 15

Thread: Valve boss Gabe Newell calls Windows 8 a 'catastrophe'

  1. #1
    Senior Member MrNeil's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    Here
    Posts
    559
    Thanks
    23
    Thanked
    63 times in 38 posts
    • MrNeil's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Gigabyte Z490 VISION G
      • CPU:
      • Intel i7 10700KF
      • Memory:
      • 16gig G.Skill Trident Z 3200Mhz
      • Storage:
      • x2 Kingston 240GB HyperX SSDWD + 480gig evo 500GB Caviar Blue Hard
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Vega 56 Red Dragon
      • PSU:
      • 850W EVGA SuperNOVA G2,
      • Case:
      • NZXT H440 STEEL Mid Tower
      • Operating System:
      • Window 10 64bit
      • Monitor(s):
      • AOC G2770PF 144Hz and a HP 27hq
      • Internet:
      • TalkyTalk 76mb

    Valve boss Gabe Newell calls Windows 8 a 'catastrophe'


  2. #2
    Senior Member AGTDenton's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Bracknell
    Posts
    1,987
    Thanks
    538
    Thanked
    420 times in 304 posts
    • AGTDenton's system
      • Motherboard:
      • ASUS P6T7 WS Supercomputer
      • CPU:
      • Intel Core i7 980
      • Memory:
      • 24GB Corsair Dominator GT
      • Storage:
      • Samsung 860 Pro + HDDs
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Asus 1030
      • PSU:
      • Seasonic X-850W
      • Case:
      • Fractal Design R3
      • Operating System:
      • 10 Pro x64
      • Internet:
      • 70MB using BT line

    Re: Valve boss Gabe Newell calls Windows 8 a 'catastrophe'

    All I can say is, long live the WAD!

  3. #3
    ZaO
    Guest

    Re: Valve boss Gabe Newell calls Windows 8 a 'catastrophe'

    I love using Linux so I can see myself gradually making it my only OS if valve can start getting a load of games to work on it. Windows is junk and most people only buy it because they're oblivious to or scared to try other operating systems. I pretty much only run it to play games on. Come on valve - make it work with Linux!

  4. #4
    Hexus.Lurker
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Posts
    357
    Thanks
    17
    Thanked
    13 times in 13 posts
    • Fortune117's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Gigabyte Z77-D3H
      • CPU:
      • Intel Core i5 3570k 3.4Ghz
      • Memory:
      • 8GB Corsair DDR3
      • Storage:
      • Kingston Hyper X 120GB SSD
      • Graphics card(s):
      • XFX Radeon 7870 DD Edition
      • PSU:
      • OCZ ZS Series 650 Watt
      • Case:
      • Coolermaster CM690
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 8 64-Bit
      • Monitor(s):
      • [Eyefinity] 3 LG 23EA63V
      • Internet:
      • Virgin Media 50MB

    Re: Valve boss Gabe Newell calls Windows 8 a 'catastrophe'

    But.. people are just going to use Windows 7 until Microsoft realise they were wrong and release the next operating system..

    Think of Windows 8 as the next Windows vista

  5. #5
    ZaO
    Guest

    Re: Valve boss Gabe Newell calls Windows 8 a 'catastrophe'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fortune117 View Post
    But.. people are just going to use Windows 7 until Microsoft realise they were wrong and release the next operating system..

    Think of Windows 8 as the next Windows vista
    Hahaha nice way of putting it

  6. #6
    Pork & Beans Powerup Phage's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Kent
    Posts
    6,260
    Thanks
    1,618
    Thanked
    608 times in 518 posts
    • Phage's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus Crosshair VIII
      • CPU:
      • 3800x
      • Memory:
      • 16Gb @ 3600Mhz
      • Storage:
      • Samsung 960 512Gb + 2Tb Samsung 860
      • Graphics card(s):
      • EVGA 1080ti
      • PSU:
      • BeQuiet 850w
      • Case:
      • Fractal Define 7
      • Operating System:
      • W10 64
      • Monitor(s):
      • Iiyama GB3461WQSU-B1

    Re: Valve boss Gabe Newell calls Windows 8 a 'catastrophe'

    Consumerisation and commoditisation of technology. MS are following Apple's lead. Enthusiasts cost them money.
    The loss of retail versions and paid upgrades is the future.
    Society's to blame,
    Or possibly Atari.

  7. #7
    Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Posts
    182
    Thanks
    3
    Thanked
    23 times in 22 posts
    • barry2811's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Gigabyte GA-Z87-HD3
      • CPU:
      • Intel i5 4670K (cooled by Noctua NH-D14)
      • Memory:
      • 2 x 8GB Corsair
      • Storage:
      • Samsung Pro 128GB Boot Drive, 1 x 6TB Seagate, 1 x 3TB Seagate and 256GB Crucial SSD for games
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Asus GTX970 Strix
      • PSU:
      • EVGA SuperNova 650 G2
      • Case:
      • NZXT S340 Elite
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10
      • Monitor(s):
      • Viewsonic VG2439M-LED
      • Internet:
      • Sky Fibre

    Re: Valve boss Gabe Newell calls Windows 8 a 'catastrophe'

    It seems like sour grapes to me. He can see the Steam business model being replaced by the "Windows App Store" or whatever it will be called.

    Until OpenGL catches up with DirectX I can't see any non-Windows PC platform being taken seriously for games.

    I agree with Gabe on the importance of an open system, and I'm hoping Windows 8 does retain some openness and remains developer friendly, but my desires are based on enjoying development, his are based on protecting his business model.

  8. #8
    Administrator Moby-Dick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    There's no place like ::1 (IPv6 version)
    Posts
    10,665
    Thanks
    53
    Thanked
    385 times in 314 posts

    Re: Valve boss Gabe Newell calls Windows 8 a 'catastrophe'

    his are based on protecting his business model.
    absolutely - Steam is probably the most established Windows "store" for games - should Microsoft successfully implement a competitor to that which is part of the OS then why would net-new customers want to install anything else ( it would be easy for MS to undercut Valve on Margin for Dev's )
    my Virtualisation Blog http://jfvi.co.uk Virtualisation Podcast http://vsoup.net

  9. #9
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Posts
    229
    Thanks
    7
    Thanked
    2 times in 2 posts
    • Wam7's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus X79 Sabertooth
      • CPU:
      • I7 3930K @ 4.9 Ghz 24/7
      • Memory:
      • 24GB Corsair Vengeance
      • Storage:
      • Samsung 840 240 GB 2x 3TB Seagate
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Nvidia GTX670 & GT430
      • PSU:
      • Coolermaster M2 Pro 1000W
      • Case:
      • Coolermaster HAF-X
      • Operating System:
      • Win7 Ultimate x64
      • Monitor(s):
      • Tri monitor - 27" Iiyama 2x Dell 19"
      • Internet:
      • VirginMedia 120Mb

    Re: Valve boss Gabe Newell calls Windows 8 a 'catastrophe'

    Notwithstanding his motives but I tend to agree that Windows 8, while maybe not a catastrophe, is definitely lacking. I've not been wrong about a Windows iteration for the past 20 years so we will see if my winning streak breaks.

  10. #10
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Posts
    403
    Thanks
    58
    Thanked
    79 times in 68 posts
    • Firejack's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus PRIME X470-Pro
      • CPU:
      • AMD Ryzen 7 2700X
      • Memory:
      • TG Dark Pro "8pack Edition"
      • Storage:
      • Crucial 250GB SSD, Sandisk 128GB SSD, Samsung 1TB HDD
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Sapphire RX VEGA 56 8GB Pulse
      • PSU:
      • SeaSonic Focus Plus 650 Gold
      • Case:
      • Fractal Design Define S
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 Pro 64bit
      • Monitor(s):
      • Dell S2719DGF
      • Internet:
      • BT Infinity 2

    Re: Valve boss Gabe Newell calls Windows 8 a 'catastrophe'

    I'm glad to see Valve moving Steam over to Ubuntu. I personally can't wait to install the beta client and fire up Left4Dead2. I can't see the wider gaming community jumping ship straight away. What I think could be the killer feature that pulls gamers across is a easy to install and user friendly gamer-focused derivative of Ubuntu... Vubuntu or something

  11. #11
    Comfortably Numb directhex's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    /dev/urandom
    Posts
    17,074
    Thanks
    228
    Thanked
    1,027 times in 678 posts
    • directhex's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus ROG Strix B550-I Gaming
      • CPU:
      • Ryzen 5900x
      • Memory:
      • 64GB G.Skill Trident Z RGB
      • Storage:
      • 2TB Seagate Firecuda 520
      • Graphics card(s):
      • EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra
      • PSU:
      • EVGA SuperNOVA 850W G3
      • Case:
      • NZXT H210i
      • Operating System:
      • Ubuntu 20.04, Windows 10
      • Monitor(s):
      • LG 34GN850
      • Internet:
      • FIOS

    Re: Valve boss Gabe Newell calls Windows 8 a 'catastrophe'

    Quote Originally Posted by Moby-Dick View Post
    absolutely - Steam is probably the most established Windows "store" for games - should Microsoft successfully implement a competitor to that which is part of the OS then why would net-new customers want to install anything else ( it would be easy for MS to undercut Valve on Margin for Dev's )
    The limitations on MS App Store submissions would prevent 95% of Steam's games from being made available - and those only with mild rewriting/porting.

  12. #12
    Not a good person scaryjim's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Gateshead
    Posts
    15,196
    Thanks
    1,230
    Thanked
    2,291 times in 1,874 posts
    • scaryjim's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Dell Inspiron
      • CPU:
      • Core i5 8250U
      • Memory:
      • 2x 4GB DDR4 2666
      • Storage:
      • 128GB M.2 SSD + 1TB HDD
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Radeon R5 230
      • PSU:
      • Battery/Dell brick
      • Case:
      • Dell Inspiron 5570
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10
      • Monitor(s):
      • 15" 1080p laptop panel

    Re: Valve boss Gabe Newell calls Windows 8 a 'catastrophe'

    Actually, if Steam made a Metro version of the Steam app and used it to promote casual games more than traditional PC games, I can see them doing really rather well out of it. A lot of casual games could work really well with a touchscreen interface, so it could open up a huge new market to Steam that they're not necessarily tapping at the minute. It'd give BigFish some competition in that market, which they've largely got to themselves at the minute...

    EDIT: if you're skeptical, take a look at the by the numbers section of their pressroom homepage

  13. #13
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    779
    Thanks
    137
    Thanked
    50 times in 43 posts
    • george1979's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus P7P55D-Pro
      • CPU:
      • i5 760
      • Memory:
      • 16Gb Kingston Hyper X
      • Storage:
      • 128Gb Crucial M4 + 1Tb Samsung F3 + 1Tb WD Black
      • Graphics card(s):
      • MSI GTX570 Twin Frozer 2
      • PSU:
      • 700W Coolermaster Silent M Pro
      • Case:
      • CM 690 II Advanced
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 7
      • Monitor(s):
      • BenQ G2222HDL & Dell 2312HM
      • Internet:
      • Plusnet

    Re: Valve boss Gabe Newell calls Windows 8 a 'catastrophe'

    I really am at a loss to understand the rabid hostility I keep seeing on the comments of a lot of tech sites regarding Windows 8. Many times from people who haven't even tried it yet. I haven't used it but I am willing to give it the benefit of the doubt. If I don't like it I'll stay with 7.
    So much bitching and moaning about 'where's my start button' or 'I hate metro' blah blah blah. MS are at least trying to innovate and move things along (their profits being of those 'things'). If they just produced an improved Win7 the same whiners would complain that 'MS are just milking the cow' and 'have brought nothing new to the party'.

    From what I've read all the same functionality is basically there its just accessed in a slightly different way. MS have to take more control of their eco-system to compete with the likes of Apple in the mobile space. Those that don't like it can go to Linux (lol, fat chance of that).

    As for Gabe, what he meant to say is that this would be a 'catastrophe for his profits'. Heaven forfend we should end up with a serious competitor to Valve huh Gabe?

  14. #14
    Pork & Beans Powerup Phage's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Kent
    Posts
    6,260
    Thanks
    1,618
    Thanked
    608 times in 518 posts
    • Phage's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus Crosshair VIII
      • CPU:
      • 3800x
      • Memory:
      • 16Gb @ 3600Mhz
      • Storage:
      • Samsung 960 512Gb + 2Tb Samsung 860
      • Graphics card(s):
      • EVGA 1080ti
      • PSU:
      • BeQuiet 850w
      • Case:
      • Fractal Define 7
      • Operating System:
      • W10 64
      • Monitor(s):
      • Iiyama GB3461WQSU-B1

    Re: Valve boss Gabe Newell calls Windows 8 a 'catastrophe'

    Quote Originally Posted by george1979 View Post
    MS have to take more control of their eco-system to compete with the likes of Apple in the mobile space.
    Completely agree, but not just in the mobile space. Remeber that we cost MS money with our high demands for compatibility, performance, security and support. They'd really like to have a walled garden like Apple, it's easier and therefore more profitable.
    Society's to blame,
    Or possibly Atari.

  15. #15
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    779
    Thanks
    137
    Thanked
    50 times in 43 posts
    • george1979's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus P7P55D-Pro
      • CPU:
      • i5 760
      • Memory:
      • 16Gb Kingston Hyper X
      • Storage:
      • 128Gb Crucial M4 + 1Tb Samsung F3 + 1Tb WD Black
      • Graphics card(s):
      • MSI GTX570 Twin Frozer 2
      • PSU:
      • 700W Coolermaster Silent M Pro
      • Case:
      • CM 690 II Advanced
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 7
      • Monitor(s):
      • BenQ G2222HDL & Dell 2312HM
      • Internet:
      • Plusnet

    Re: Valve boss Gabe Newell calls Windows 8 a 'catastrophe'

    Quote Originally Posted by Phage View Post
    Completely agree, but not just in the mobile space. Remeber that we cost MS money with our high demands for compatibility, performance, security and support. They'd really like to have a walled garden like Apple, it's easier and therefore more profitable.
    Yep they need to tie their PC, Tablet (when it arrives) and mobile market share together in order to grow their profits from each of them. Anybody dismissing their latest efforts are really underestimating MS, you just have to look at their R&D spend to appreciate that (not to mention their marketing budget).
    So what if a few enthusiasts have thrown their toys out of the pram? They are not where the profits are and if this strategy is successful they will fall in line eventually too (unless Linux goes mass market lol).

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •